[Isric]

taken from a blurrered pictar? You should try making it sharper than the refrence, that would be a fun experiment.

[Joachim]

you have some nice work on your page. The picture you've made here looks very real, almost like just a photomanipulation. But, I will choose to believe it's painted
Also, the lion looked nice. If you don't mind me giving critique, it seems like you use very much photo reference. As you can see on the lion, the wings stands a bit out ( as one wing seemed flipped, and they didn't fit the image as well as the rest). I will choose to believe that they are the only ones straight from imagination, right? Maybe it could be nice if you did some paintings & sketches, and tried to take as much as possible from your own imagination. Because it can be a bit dangerous to be too dependent on photos. If you feel that these are totally wrong accusations, I appolegise.

Welcome to the forum...keep up the good work

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[pierre]

Critique is good. That is why you post.

I have always tended for the realism, even though the subject in and of itself is all but that. In the sketches you dont see much of the final image, pretty much only the reference and imaginary things fused together.

The images are painted, I can't say more than that.

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[Chapel]

Well, just to avoid future accusations you might want to post the sketches or the photo references as well. Your stuff looks pretty real even though it is blurry.

[pierre]

I will remember that, thanks.

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[black_fish]

Man I've never seen such a phony before! Tracing is one thing, copying is another one, but just taking random photos and adding a blur and a filter (or sometimes nothing at all) and calling that a painting is the funniest thing in the world. At least I had a good laugh looking at this site.
One of the funniest thing is the 'car marker designs' (I mean photos of cars pasted on a white background). Anybody who has ever done a marker concept design could spot those fakes with his eyes closed.
Ah, man, what a laugh!
That reminds me of the guy who traced a barbarian over a Marvel drawing of the mariner, and who had to apologized like the lame tracer he was when somebody exposed his fake.
But this pierre hannah guy is definetely the best I ever seen. I'll keep the website address to cheer my friends. Hahahahaha..

Hey, Pierre, can you still look at yourself in a mirror?

[pierre]

Sure I can.

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[Tinusch]

Now that yoh mention it black_fish, I am getting suspicious... Those two car pics look EXACTLY like photos, and it's kind of odd how they both have sloppy paint smeared along the outside to make it look like an unfinished painting.

But I don't know for sure so I'll keep my mouth shut, for now.

[pierre]

seemed like I achieved my goal, you took the painting for photos. I would call it an excellent compliment. I will try to post a very high rez pic of both the paintings, maybe that make you to try believe it anyway.

[Tinusch]

Haha, yeah dood, please feel free to accuse me of that same thing. That'd be great.

[pierre]

Been at your site, your seem to not aim for realism, so I can't accuse you for the same. However your work is very interesting in its own unique character. Good work!

[black_fish]

Sure Pierre do whatever it takes to convince me! hahaha

[pierre]

Black Fish, I have no desire to convince you.

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[rikkitikkitavi]

Well, if you want proof that he is a good artist, why not draw up a quick, vague sketch of something or another and have him remake a realistic painting/pic of it?

If pierre is as good as he says he is, I doubt he would mind accepting the challenge. Right pierre?



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[pierre]

rikki, i am more than willing to take up the challenge, however, the discussion is about wether the paintings are photos or painting of photo reference.


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[rikkitikkitavi]

Yes and that is my point. If you can redraw and paint based on an idea from a loose sketch by one of the members of this forum, and your work either matches or comes close to the quality of pics on your site or those you've shown here, it would add substantial credibility to your work.

If your redesign is an absolute failure and comes nowhere, at all whatsoever near the quality of your other pics, then your credibility will decrease dramatically.

I am not accusing you of either way but am instead offering a method by which you can alleviate the suspicions surrounding your work.

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[HumanClay]

Heh, I didn't want to say anything... but uhh yea, I'm glad someone did.

If in fact you actually did paint the images on your site Pierre, provide us with some proof (higher resolutions, sketches, etc..)

Anyway, I thought I'd take this opportunity to show you my latest piece:



Disregard the text at the bottom of the image, I added that for realism. :P

-hc

[pierre]

rikki, i agree with you and have no problem whatsoever with your idea.

I think it is hard for some people to understand that it is possible to paint with that degree of realism.

[black_fish]

Nice job Humanclay! Your stylistic approach in the use of pure color as a medium in itself rather than relying on an underlying line structure gives so much more mood and atmosphere to a picture that I would dare to call epic and inspiring in its roughness. The added copyright line is a nice touch, that gives much more credibility to this image: without it people could think you used some kind of photo or something.




Pierre: you don't want to convince me because you can't. Too bad, huh?
Oh, and I want to add that it's not just me you have to convince, but a lot of other people on this site (too bad Feng is not here today - he would have liked your 'marker rendering') Hahaha.

[Frost]

Erm... come on guys. I DO agree that his work is VERY real looking, and that it does in fact look a LOT like filtered photos and such, but at least his responses seems on the level, as he is not bitching back, which shows a certain level of maturity.

I'm not convinced that his stuff is real either, but I am willing to accept that it could be. Rikkitikkitavi (erm, yeah...) has a good idea... if it IS real and that he can make someone's original work look REAL without changing anything in the pose, angle, format, etc., that would pretty much have me convinced.

[pierre]

If that is what it takes to convince you...sure why not

[micke]

Pierre, if those are painted, why do you even keep the bad contrasts from the photo?
The only thing you'll end up with is that people becomes suspicious and the painting
will not reach a higher standard at all.

I have to admit that i'm not convinced at all. It looks to me like the pictures are blurred in a early stage in order to get rid of all the artifacts. I would love to see you make a painting out of a sketch that is handed to you from a person on the this forum. If you're able to paint that realistic that you claim to do i believe you will have no problem turning the sketch into a masterpiece.
If i'm wrong i own you a very big appology.

Micke.


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[pierre]

exactly which paintings do you talk about micke?

[pierre]

Guys, it is almost 1 am here and I have to call it a nite, work calls me early tomorrow. I will come back tomorrow and see how this discussion have developed during my absence. Nite all.

[micke]

Pierre:I was thinking about the picture of the girl that you posted in this thread right here.
You can feel free to pick one of my sketches
if you want and base your painting on: http://www.katode.org/noguchi/
I'm sorry if i've just repeated what other people just have said. i did'nt read all the replies before posting.




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http://www.katode.org/noguchi/

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[Frost]

Hmm, I hate doing this, but, hmm. Why do we artists have to have such big egos about our work that we can't believe that someone out there COULD actually do so well and so much better than we can? =)

Anyway, here's a stupid image you can paint over -- your task would be to make it look photo-real as much as possible.


(slightly larger version here.)

It's important that you keep the character the same, not changing anything in his pose or angle so to prove that you can actually light/shade and color as you did so easily in your pics. There doesn't need to be much detail, especially not on the scenery, but it must be able to convince me and others.

Yes, the drawing sucks, but, if you can make THIS look real, I'd be convinced. (I doubt you can find photos or reference of that.) =)
Oh, in broad daylight please. =)

cheers,
frost.

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Sorry Micke! =))))) Didn't see your message! =)

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[pierre]

Micke, how about this one?:

[micke]

Pierre:Sure, go ahead
Frost: He he, love that one! i would much more see your's painted.
micke

[pierre]

ok micke, I'll do that face. I will come back maybe tomorrow, ok? I will try to do the face after work. Nite all.

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[SushiMaster]

Woah! Micke's page! Kewl :-) Lots of neat pics heheh... why didn't I click on it before?

I agree the pics look incredibly realistic, but he's taken up the challenge so we'll just have to wait now :-P

To give an example of another person making photorealistic stuff here just look at http://www.katode.org/noguchi/web/doodles.htm on micke's page, though. The old man from the "paint along with fred" thing looks very much like a photo when it's sized down like that :-P So maybe Pierre just has five gigabyte of memory allowing him to paint in 50'000 by 50'000? :-P

Daniel