[immi]

Hey guys

Just wanted to let you know that we posted the results to the post apocalyptic character design contest that we had: http://www.3dpalette.org/features/apocalyptic_contest/results.shtml

Sorry for screwing the contest up. Hopefully, we'll have another contest soon, and we'll be able to do what we fully envisioned.

cheers

[yoshi]

No. 2 has better shape design than no. 3 No. 1 deservers place somewhere, erm at the end. Overal feeling i got reading the comments - dismay. That a painter has no clue about shape design should not be surprising, I;m still in disbelieve thou.

[immi]

You're kidding right?

[Sumaleth]

1 does have some nice ideas but I don't think it would have rated top 5 for me. 2 probably would have got first and 3 probably would have got second, so I'm consistant there at least.

Third would have been a harder one to choose. I think I would have gone with Joachim's image because it it's visually such a rich image, although the perspective feels a little awkward and I'm still convinced that the cast shadow on her head is angled the wrong way.

But of course art is a subjective thing. Was very interested to see which ones Spooge chose.

Row.


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[yoshi]

art subjective thing, to a certain degree. We passed that point here..

[edit] btw, the end that's may be too far, i haven't seen all the entries..

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[Rinaldo]

I think that there are a lot of problem with no 1. anatomy and surfacing. I don't really "get it" either. to my eye it is the most ambiguious of the lot. very confusing.
It has a lot to offer but it's not solid enough for a first place IMHO.

But spooge like some strange things

Was it only him on the panel or were there some others?


(immi- your tone is rather offensive nice to see someone who's not afraid to say what they want, but you might really offend some people)

[AcidDrone]

hmm bleh.. why can't i load 3dp anymore its freezing my browser again.. Im using ie 5 and i upgraded to 5.5 but it still freezes.. no im not going to touch nutscrape.

[amnesia]

Nutscrape is that stuff fat people get layered on to the bottom of thier boxer shorts on a hot day is it not? I don't blame you for not wanting to touch it, it's something so disgusting synj has probably made an animated gif of it. :/

[yoshi]

I didn't post that to attack anybody. If i were Timur Mutsaev i would probably feel like an idiot now. Maybe there are other ppl who find this abysmally wrong as well, this is just to make them feel less horrified (i'm dead serious about that).

[wakestarr]

I really don't like no 1. I find it all confusing and not balanced in any way.. the colors, anatomy.. everything seems off. At least to me.

No 2 is really nice. No 3 also.

/W

[Binke]

Hey why are you bashing the winner

I say, Congrats Kurisu!


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[Frost]

Well, maybe it's my misconception, but the first was done using Zbrush, which calculates the light for you based on the 3d depth buffer on a per-pixel basis. Now knowing that, comments such as "value control is excellent, with some very subtle control of lighting" really rates the software more than the artist (no offense Kurisu, you know I love you.=) But anyway, I'm not one for Saran-Wrap(tm)'ped phong plastified rendered objects.

In any case, I think future judgements should be performed by more people such as Micke, Joachim, Sumaleth, Rinaldo, and a lot of other good experienced artists rather than just one -- I think it would be a lot more fair that way.

Just my abusive who gives a f*ck 2 cents.

[InDepth]

Immi,

Sorry to hear you had so much trouble with your comp (hosting going bye-bye right at the end.) Some great artwork was entered though. I really enjoyed browsing the submissions. As for people disagreeing with the winner... don't sweat it. It happened with my competition as well. I had 5 judges using a 100 point rating system and I even sent the images to them with no names associated with them (to remove any rumors of favoritism.) All this and there was still quite a debate as to who won. People even complained about favoritism :-) The only way to satisfy everyone would be to let the public vote for the winner... but then you'd have to deal with cheating. Enough rambling though. Great job and I really enjoyed seeing the contestants images.

Eric

PS: If you ever want to talk about a co-op contest I am all ears :-)



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[Wildkat]

Congrats Kurisu, Timur, Mikael! and to all that entered, because you all win with the excellent work you did for the contest and have wonderful work in your galleries to show for it.

and lastly...congrats Immi & 3D Palette for getting your site back together and running smoothly again.

[Sumaleth]

I dont think there's been an art competition in the history of the world where the results were happily agreed apon by all involved.

Seriously, there's no way any comp results will ever please everyone. If you enter an art comp, it MUST be for a bit of fun.

Row.

[immi]

Heya

Yeah, Kurisu's entry wouldn't have been in my top 5 either, but I guess that's the great thing about contests....it is so subjective. I wouldn't have picked it, purely because I have a bias towards 2d art. However, the more I looked at it, the more it grew on me. Anyways, congrats to Kurisu, he's not only a terrific artist, but a great guy.

If i had to pick my favourites they would be:
1. Boomstick by Christer Sveen
2. Stalker by Timur Mutsaev
3. Urban Lady by Joachim
4. Lunch Time by Albert Gordillo
5. Warrior Babe by Vebjorn

There are a lot of others though, that I think have some terrific ideas and designs. The Caravan, anchor man, cannibal, leaving las vegas, the last warrior and the american dream all struck a nerve with me. I sincerely wish I had been able to offer more prizes. I'm sure everyone will have different favourites. Its interesting, a lot of people I spoke to, really liked the nun by terence higuchi, but it did nothing for me. Each to his own.

In the future, i think we'll do it more like when we had our skinning competition, where we had prizes for the public choice, the judges choice, and the 3dp choice (bribes accepted.) Also, Eric, yeah definately would be interested in a co-op competition. Perhaps even something that spans several sites, and different genres. Polycount has expressed interest in doing co-ops, and we could probably bring in other sites like gfxartist, skindom, gameart, mapcore and others. Really, make it one huge ass contest. or just you and us if you prefer.

As for what Craig chose as the winners, well that's life. I'm more concerned about not getting everyones entries up. I'm sorry about that. We learn from our mistakes.

On a side note, the contest troubles extended to the prizes aswell. While Kurisu got his almost instantaneously (a few months back) from Polycount, Gamefan never came through on their promise, and as such, Micke never got his (he graciously declined us trying to arrange something else...Micke...you're a great guy...I promise I'll make it up to you) and Timur has been waiting for his for a long time. Eventually, when it became apparent that gamefan was not going to come through, I had to buy his graphire myself. I'm not even sure whether he's got it yet. Its kinda hard getting stuff to Russia...

So, anybody have any ideas for future contests in regards to rules, themes etc. In my book, there will never be a them greater than one set in a post apocalyptic world...hehe, but i guess thats just me.

Rinaldo...your comment that I'm not afraid to say what I want. Well, its not really that, I'm just trying to be funny, not really hurt anyones feelings, but i guess I just come off as a silly git. Too bad. Besides, its not like it takes balls of steels to say what u want on the internet. Its the internet for chrissakes!

[InDepth]

Immi,

We can hook it up however you wish... we could do the big one with multiple sites or one just between the two of us.... or both for that matter. How much longer before 3DP is back on its feet and running?

As for future contests... I would recommend the following:

1. Always use more than one judge... it just takes alot of doubt out of the equation. Plus it is harder to blame the results on five people than it is on one.

2. Set out some concrete criteria by which the images will be judged. This also removes alot of doubt. To give your judges some breathing room add in a criteria called judges choice and let that amount to some percent of the total score. Scoring gives you some concrete information in the case that someone disputes their rating.

3. Try to make as many people happy as you can but definately realize you will NEVER make everyone happy :-)

Just my two worthless cents,

Eric

[Joachim]

I think there was a lot of nice pictures for the comp, esp. since people showed that they had more up their sleeve than many had seen before ( for ex: like how frost really showed for the first time his capabilities, for me atleast, and how he has managed to follow up on this and improved so much after, in that same direction )

I have no problems with the results, suits me fine. I hate my own picture anyway, hehe.
I'm very happy for kurisu and the rest. I dig timurs picture the most (but that's my taste). It's all for fun.
Would be nice with another contest though, really pushes people to compete, which is a really cool way to improve, if you ask me. as long as there's no rule like, don't use paper, this is pure digital bla bla bla. Only thing, in my op. it must be based on a theme.


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[Cos]

yeah i agree, no more bitching. Lets just everyone be happy for kurisu,
and timur and micke too. Booka Booka in anyones 'edpiece who keeps
complaining. and lets make competition 2 so I dont enter that either :P

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http://www.3dpalette.org/~coskoniotis

[Rinaldo]

Yeah I suppose it's just fun after all, I always get to technical. I really dig Kurisu's other stuff and don't mean any disrespect, it's all subjective.

immi-hehe yes I understand it's all in the name of good humour


One big compo....I'm there

[Liquid!]

quote:

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Originally posted by immi:
Heya
Gamefan never came through on their promise,

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No surprise here. They actually stiffed us on payment for a cover once, and we had to go to court. The judgment was awarded by the court to us, however, we're still in the process of collecting.

-c

[immi]

Hehe, yeah what asses eh Liquid? They've stiffed a lot of people. Apparently, the owe Voodooextreme over 100k. Nuts. For those of you, who want to read some stories about how NOT to run a business, check these links: Makes for good reading.
http://www.gamers.com/news/284478 http://www.gamers.com/news/324268 http://www.gamers.com/news/324948 http://www.gamers.com/news/328956

[Gambit]

Congrats to the winners and to all that entered their art work The theme was great and I look forward to more contest in the future!

Nice work, Immi - lots of work running the site and getting these kind of these together.

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[Tinusch]

I still think Frost's pic should've been in the top 3 at least...

[aNoah]

Just voicing my opinion:
Contests are stupid. Everyone has their own style. Personally, I think that some works are obviously better than others, while some are just great! You can't really say that one great painting is better than the other. I don't respect the "authority" of contests. Simple things like the october super hero submissions are much better.

[Silico]

wow!! that would have been a real embarressment if i were to have entered! great job all! well, i loved the color style & detail of Joachim's, the feeling of Turbine Angel's, and the intensity & power of that carlos guy's pic. oh, and for some reason almost all of Vebjorn's drawings inspired me... for something, Apocolyptic Warrior in particular! I love your style Veb!!

humm... maybe it was a bit late to post a reply. anyways, again, congrats to ALL the entries you are all very gifted!!

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[Plop]

I didnt read anyones comments yet but i have to say #1 shouldnt be #1. 15th or 20th maybe. Its like that time Timur lost futuristic character design contest to something completely blah.

[Plop]

immi, just a suggestion. let the people choose in the future through a poll or something.

[waylon]

The problem with a "public vote" (aside from the obvious cheating problems) is that a lot of people just don't know much about art... I'd much rather have Craig or Ron, for instance, judge my picture than a bunch of 12-year-olds who found the contest through their favorite gaming site (no offense to any 12-year-olds on this forum. )

I agree with aNoah that art is all very subjective, and it's very hard to say if a specific piece is "better" than another. But contests are still fun, and that's all that really counts.

[spooge demon]

OJ WAS FRAMED!!!
OJ WAS FRAMED!!!
OJ WAS FRAMED!!!

Now that we have that straightened out....

Ummm....

1.You guys really think there is such a thing as �better� art? It does not take more than 5 seconds of very simple thought to realize that there are no objective standards for good art. The more carefully you define art, the less relevance art has.

2.I don�t think competitions like this are a good idea. They have their functions, but deciding what is good in art is not one of them. I was asked to judge by Immi, and I accepted. There was to be another judge, just in case I had a brain hemorrhage and, like, chose Kurisu�s or something. Don�t know what happened to him. I will never be a judge of anything again. The only possible outcome for the judge is out of 30 contestants, 1 false friend and 29 people with pitchforks.

3.The only way to proceed with judging something like this is to very carefully define what you think is �good.� This is what I did in the first paragraph:

�I started by eliminating the images that I felt were derivative in style or content or were very crudely executed. That narrowed the field somewhat. I then began to weigh the concept a little more heavily than the execution. If I feel I have seen the idea many times before, I tended to grade down a bit, even if it was nicely done.�

Does this make anymore sense now? Or no?

The fact that Kurisu�s was done in 3-d, what of it? Should I value a pic higher because it was done with a broken arm and a 386? I don�t care how it was done. I appeared very original and gave me the creeps. Need I say that what is original and what gives the creeps is also totally subjective?


Yoshi, bike racks, 3:30 sharp. Could you tell me what you think �shape� is? And who died and made you grand high Pooh Bahh of all things aesthetic?

�Horrified� my boil ridden behind...

I have told of the Art Center class where the teacher had the class rank order final projects from best to worst. It was very obvious that 90% of the people there felt they had the best project.

And no, (I can hear it coming) my velvet paintings of Elvis are not inferior to the freaking Mona Lisa. If you wish to carefully define your standards of value, then we can discuss. But not until then.

Yes, I like the poll idea.