[Chapel]

I didn't draw this. A fella who goes by the name jimmyB did. Anyway, I did a quick coloring job on it with his permission. Still learning. Anyone have some good suggestions on doing textures?

Sorry about the big pic by the way..



By the way, I've found out that by coloring other people's stuff I'm learning more about the penciling process. I'm starting to figure out errors and what they should do to correct it. This pic for example has several errors in it. Perspective on the figures being one.

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Chapel
- Will Draw for Food -
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[CapnPyro]

Looks really great, i saw this first posted on the TC board. Some things to notice:

-her costume is the same tone all over, put some more variation in it. her skin also.

-the blue light on her shoulder doesnt touch anything else i.e. the gargoyle or wall.

-The building strikes me as weird.. not enough shading on it. We can see 2 surfaces of it, but theyre the same color. Also, the planes where the window is indented are not shaded, they should be darker.

-The moon is 1 color with a dark spot in the middle. Get fancy

-Also dont know if you noticed this, but where the black is in the upper left the interior is a noticeably differnt shade then the border. There's also a black square in the upper left. If it's not noticeable, I'd check your calibration.

I'm sure there's some *ahem* colorists about that could give a better critique then me. Looks good though, just needs some touching up.

-Capn

[Edit: Typos]

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[This message has been edited by CapnPyro (edited October 18, 2000).]

[Rinaldo]

This is really nice Chapel, definitly my favorite of all the colouring I've seen from you. To me the aproach you're taking is to rely on the line art to make most of the decisions. you're not doing much rendering as such. Now this is probably a point of contention with colouring but IMHO you could make the actuial art look a lot better by adding some shadows and doing some "painting". I'm not saying to bastardise the drawing but by thinking in terms of light source and all that you could make tings more readable. you have done this in places but it could use some more IMHO. especialy in the places where the artist has used parallel lines to shade. put a darker colour in there instead of the same used for the other skin. it looks dirty to me as is.

there is also not much variation in value. take that stone monster thing. you have the same value going all the way up if you put in a gradient from top to bottom making hte top darker it would look better (again in MHO) I tried putting it into grayscale and the figure and moon are standing out, everything else is very grey and flat.

I can only tell what CapnPyro is talking about in reguard to the black if I go to full brightness. Aren't you on a Mac cap? the gamma on a mac is much brighter. it pays to look out for these things.

Anyway It looks prety good the metal is working out very nicely.


(ps: I am doing some Batman sketches....it's just taking a while)

[Nex]

Hi chapel!

this looks good, but what makes it somehow "odd" is that there is no shadow rendering in this picture.

The main light is coming from the moon I guess, so there should be darker tones on the stone wall and on the gargoyle imho.

The window surfaces not parallel to the ground should be darker that the rest (less bouncelight) I guess (please imagine a "i guess" at the end of every sentence because I do not really know)

the blue bouncelight from the gargoyle looks a bit too strong maybe.

Could you post a link to the artists work? I would like to practice coloring too, and this picture looks cool (including your coloring)



[This message has been edited by Nex (edited October 19, 2000).]

[CapnPyro]

Here's a large version for ya off the TC board
http://www.geocities.com/jimmyb007uk/magdalena.jpg

-Capn

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[Chapel]

I knew about everything you guys pointed out already, so I guess that is good. I ended up rushing to just get this thing done. I didn't put any time and effort into the moon and sky. I messed up doing most of the texturing cause I went back over with the airbrush tool for lighting and didn't realize I was on the same layer. So, it ended up taking some of the detailing out. I'm still learning, so I'll take everything into more consideration on the next piece I do.

Rinaldo: As far as the shading and letting the inking do it for me... When I got into coloring this pic it got pretty hard, because of the inking. Instead of leaving some room for the colorist to work and add shading he just inked everything in. I'm sure I'll figure out ways to work better with inking like this later.

By the way as far as the border junk in the upper left I noticed it after I uploaded the pic. I may go back and fix some things, but I doubt it.

[ceenda]

Chapel: No crits, just to say that's very cool!

[Chapel]

Ok.. I went back and did some more work to it. I left the original here so you can compare. I need to figure out how to get proper lighting effects. I think the textures look a little better though.

[Sc00p]

This looks really good, reminds me of the style of coloring that image comics was doing the first year they started out.

I do have to say I like the first version better though. If you're going to be putting in all those textured spots, I think it should be in cut-style instead of the style you're going for here. Doing soft dots for a brick texture, doesn't bring out the feeling of brick, and I think everything just ended up coming out too dark on the second one.

Also, you might want to try screening some color over top of the artwork, to show some glow on the metalwork on her costume.

Anyway, very nice, you're getting much better.

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[Chapel]

Sc00p: I went back and tried some of the things you suggested. I adjusted the levels to make the pic a little brighter. It was pretty dark, but what do you expect when its 4am and I'm coloring..hehe. What do you mean by cut-style? oh and refresh if it is still showing the same pic on the second one.

[surferboi]

i think her skin tones look better in the first image even tho its a full moon i would think it would have harder shadows imo... btw nice job coloring

[Joachim]

looks nice. ...but, if you don't mind me coming with some suggestion.. something liquid do when he color a pic, is too try to give the lightsetting more effect to the picture by kind of adding and removing certain areas. And also, instead of filling in every part with a one color, shade it more to the lightsetting. Also, I think to remove the black outline on certain object that is not suited for the black outline after it's colored is also something that improves the picture. In this case the moon. just made some clumbsy brushstrokes on top to show you what I mean....



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[Chapel]

Joachim: Finally got a critique from an interloop guy. I see what your saying, but in this case I'm going to have to disagree. I like your idea better, but that would be changing the complete outlook of the picture that the penciler originally visioned. ya know? I would be doing more of a painting job than a coloring job. Like I stated in the original post I noticed several mistakes that the penciler made. One of those is his lightsources. I just didn't want to go in and drown out his picture with my style. I will however keep this suggestion in mind for the future. So thanks anyway.

[NiX]

I think you did a good job at your second attempt, but I kinda liked the way the moon looked in the first one.. It had a more realism in it. Just my Opinion though.


[This message has been edited by NiX (edited October 22, 2000).]

[Chapel]

I corrected the skin tones in the second one. I agree they were a little too light. I added something to the moon. Check it out now.



[This message has been edited by Chapel (edited October 22, 2000).]