[Liquid!]

Did this as a quicky in the 'seraphim' thread, but realized that my monitor calibration is way off on my non-printing monitor... so this is not looking quite how I thought it would [excuses, excuses... yadda, yadda].

Guess that brings up the question of how to ensure that we all see what you, as the artist, intended on your own screen?

Anyhoo. Done all in Pshop and the pencil tool only. I realize some mistakes already, however all criticism very welcome.

-c

[Joachim]

looks really nice liquid. . . there's something I like a lot with the way you shade things. It looks....."liquidish" hehe, not always natural, materialwise I mean, but since you handle your style so good I think it gives a very good look anyway, also it's nice that you have your "own" style in a way. Btw, do you do a lot of drawingjobs as well, or is it mostly coloring you do professionally. I think you should start doing a more drawingjobs also, since you do it so well.

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[BooMSticK]

hey Liquid,

very nice image. Reminds me of Kev Walker's paintings.

as you say there are a few problems. Most noticable the lightsourcing is a bit off. The light areas on the the back of the angel should be brighter than those on the shoulders and arms/legs. Also it strikes me odd that the lower area of his left wing is so visible. His right wing looks abit like most of the feathers have been torn off.. That might be intentinal, but if it is I think you should emphatize it a bit more.

Overall I like the rough cartony look. When I opened this post I was sort of expecting a bright looking picture with alot of battlechaserstyle coloring. Nice to see you do different stuff as well.

;B

[toast!]

hi liquid
great pic !

despite the wings , he looks like more a fallen angel than a seraphim (thats m y opinion)
his left wing looks a bit weird on bright screens but much better on darker settings.

the posture, the mood of pic are excellent; love your style

bye
toast

[sear]

hey liquid, i do love your color scheme and your drawing lines as well. very deep atmosphere... i'm lookin' for your next posts.

later.

[silber]

he liquid great pic
like the way you drew him
with some simple shapes
looks very cool

hhmm the left wing
looks like he have lost
some feathers
but maybe that was your intention

wanna see more of your drawed pics


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[Chapel]

Looks nice Liquid!. I don't think the lighting is off. I think it looks pretty good. Sometimes its better to have "illogical" lighting to represent the forms in the picture. HIS left wing just looks larger than the right in my opinion. I'm judging this by looking at the frame of the wings. If you were to straighten the wings out HIS left would be much longer. Also, I like the painting style except for the big white circle on the wing.

[Axl]

Hey Liquid! nice pic, very moody. My only criticism is that I think the face could use some more highlights as I'm finding it a little hard to pick out the bottom lip and chin.

[toast!]

maybe could someone post an ideal gamma grayscale and everyone may calibrate its screen with it ?

[burn0ut]

real dope liquid! i dont have n e criticism

chapel, would that be the moon your refering to ?

[Chapel]

Nope, I'm referring to HIS left wing where it bends. Has a big white blob and some strokes though it. I think the blob needs to be toned down a bit.

[Seraphire]

I've had the same gamma correction problem.

I did a dark peice recently, that looked fine in PS. I load it online and checked it in explorer, and couldn't see a thing.

Anyway, nice piece. Very sketchy and undefined. But it fits, wonderfully.

Any possible complaints have already been said.

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[MaLoRuM]

hallelujah!

praise be to you who bringth us such phat asseth paintingith thou art THE BOMBITH!

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[Liquid!]

I just wrote a 2 page post replying to all of you, and the damn 'message board' said, 'you can't post more than 8 pics'. So I lost all that typing... ARGH!!!

-c

[CapnPyro]

lmao that sucks hehe

hte picture looks neato. has that out of focus photo effect. ive never used the pencil tool for drawing, it much different then the paintbrush for feel and color use? i guess i could go experiment rather then have everything force fed heh

-Capn

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[Liquid!]

Well guys. This post is going to be considerably shorter since I can�t re-write the entire 2 page monlogue again� This is sooo frustrating I can�t put it into words.

JOACHIM: Thanks so much for all the kind words! The face you did a little while ago was a huge inspiration, so the nice comments are that much more appreciated! I think its funny that the liquid-style seems to carry into this sort of painting/sketching, since I would have thought its completely different� Just goes to show you that I can�t escape ourselves.

We don�t do to much drawing, I�d rather leave that up to the professionals. However, just the fact that you mention something like that is a huge compliment. Thanks! [the $20.00 is in the mail�.]

BOOM: Don�t konopw Kev Walker. My background isn�t art, so my knowledge of painters and art history at large is very limited. Well, pathetic is more accurate. However, I�m also happy to learn!

Several of you have mentioned the feathers being torn off. I tried to include a .jpg of a schematic of what I was thinking when I was doing it. I definitely wasn�t intending it to be torn off.



TOAST: I know its not a seraph. I just started and the dang thing took a sorta life of its own.

SEAR: Saw your posts regarding KITSCH� You�re obviously swiss since I haven�t heard that word in ages. [I used to live in Zurich].

SILBER: Check out the .jpg with the schematic and let me know what you think.

CHaPEL: I have a tendency to do somewhat illogical lighting or shadowing, however most of the time its very intentional. I just think that, if it helps the overall image/composition, it�s worth doing, however, I�m sure there are people that would hang me for saying that.


Anyways, thanks for taking out the time out to post all the comments and crits. Its much appreciated. I�m also posting a slighltly modified version trying to address a bunch of the comments made here. However, the �mis-calibaration� on this piece was very dissappointing for me, so I�d rather move onto another piece. I�m working on something much more finished and hope to get a some feedback on that later.



[This message has been edited by Liquid! (edited October 17, 2000).]

[Liquid!]

Here's the slightly modified version:




[This message has been edited by Liquid! (edited October 17, 2000).]

[Kyri]

Really nice image, Liquid. I like the looseness and moody colours.

[CapnPyro]

We need some sort of a gamma/b&w scale heh. The first one is quite a bit darker, nowhere on it though is absolute black (except the border). The 2nd one is alot brighter, almost washed out to me. Then again I'm on a Mac and the gamma is different for Mac vs PC.

Anywho neat picture and I got the turned back thing, it also looked slightly torn though. The ragged pieces over the moon make it look like that i think.

*CapnPyro looks around for something to do while he's waiting for GTE's FTP to be fixed so he can upload new pictures*

-Capn

[Liquid!]

Thanks Cap!

I tweaked it to match the first one a bit more... but as said... its looking tweaky to me.

[samg1739]

Hey I would really like to build this guy up in 3d. I did one of sijuns guys once. Do you have an email address? you can mail me at [email protected] if you dont want to post it. or go check my stuff out to see if im up to the job www.samgebhardt.com
later






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[burn0ut]

hehe samg i think u hit the wrong button(i think) you ment to do a new topic but o well

cool stuff liquid lets see some more of this non-comic stuff of yours !

[Simon Gustafsson]

Ya.
I have ht e screen/gamma problem aswell. I just realized that my pictures probably looks VERY bright on most peoples screens since I like to keep my monitor dark. Its a pain in the rump.

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[Chapel]

Looks like you toned down the colors alot. Looks more green now too. I think I like the original better. But too each their own I guess.

[WacoMonkey]

Chris! Lookin' good! I'm glad you're doing more of your own stuff, nice to see. So when are you going to do your own fully-painted book? Or try doing a cover with no line-art visible? Cool...

Sam - Hey, I didn't know you were on the forum! Good to see you around. Like the head model, really cool! Your "age" is looking really good by the way, all textured and rendered, we haven't had to change the lighting much at all. I think you'll dig it. I'll send you an e-mail.

Phil.

[silber]

hi liquid

as I saw the pic for the very first time
I ''saw'' it the way it is on your
explanation-sketch
but than I read some comments looked at it
once again and
it looked more to me like I said in my first post...

but I think it's still not easy to recognize
because your picture is in this sketchy-style
(which I love)

I don't think it needs any changes
it's good the way it is



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[Rinaldo]

Chris- I've had the same problem with the 8 pic thing. if you go back (use back button) then you still have the post and can change it. I've fiddled with this for ages becase as you say its devistating. I think it has to do with the number of spaces you have. I had a post that had one pic and a pretty paltry amounmt of text. there were a lot of paragraphs seperated by spaces. I deleted the last comment which was not really needed and bang it posted. I've taken to writing my long posts in word becase my mouse has 5 buttons and one is set to back. I often acidently clich it and lose all I've written. that or select all and then copy the text. then if you stuff up you can just paste. errrr.... yeah just a few things that might help if ya hadn't thought of them already.

oh and someone mentiond pics lookin shit when you get them in a browser. I've had this problem for ages. now I've got it working perfect. I was playing around with the RGB settings in PS and got it working, I'm not 100 pecent sure but I think the magic check box is "display monitor compensation". this changes what PS does tho, which means that........well all the pics you've done before look like shit.
what I did was bring a pic up in a browser or something like the image preview in Win2K. bring the same image up in PS and make sure you can see them both at the same time. then you can see what you're doing pretty well. I'm not sure how this will efect printing profesionaly. I have a suspicion that it will make proofing and getting good colours for print hard but I don't use my drawing comp for desgn so it doesn't matter.

Nice pic btw Chris I think what signals to me that it was done by you is the specular highlights and nice contrast between light and dark.

[Liquid!]

KYRI: Thanks! I'm glad I got to see the character sketch you did, it rules! Maybe there's something that can be done in the forums to prevent that from happening...

SAM: Thanks for the email. I just wanted to post what a kick-a$$ job you did on the 3D model of dhab's face...

WACOM: Phil thanks! Hope to do some more finished stuff later on, I think that'll make you change your mind on that whole painted book... I am thinking about doing a painting for comics down the road tho... I've got some ideas, but I want to screw around with different techniques some more first.

SILBER: Thanks, again sorry for not coming through with the 'idea' more clearly...

RINALDO: I tried the BACK button when it first happend, but with no luck... I'm going to tweak some gammas to allow for 'web' publication of images too, but that's going to take some time. I do know that there is a huge difference between the web and actual print, so I don't want to screw up my 'normal' settings...

-c

[Seraphire]

Fully painted book.

Damn, there's no way I'm going to be able to beat you to that. I've been thinking of that, too.

Oh well, I'd love to see you put one out, Chris. Or at least a fully painted cover. A painted cover of Battlechasers would be cool.

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