[Dhabih]

I seriously can't keep up with these messages, i come a few times a day and there are like 50 new posts everytime. I dont know how you people do it.....more power to ya!

btw, ...I'd like to thank those of you who really have been taking an active role in helping others out with tips and suggestions, especially those of you who are super good artists. i know these forums wouldn't be nearly as popular if it weren't for you all.

ok, sorry to interupt...(man, the job list thingy is taking a lot more time than i thought...i spent about 4 hours on it last night :P)

-dhab


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[Freddio]

Well Dhabih thanks for your time..

I agree with you about the greatartists on this site

[Rinaldo]

I know what you mean. every now and then there is an explosion of newbies for some reason and everthing becomes a nightmare (I'm not saying that newbies are bad).
I mean how much can this BB medium take?
I think there might be a need for a few more topics. I mean I like it this way. but maybe put hardware/technical questions in another topic and have a place where people can make that first post (and stuff it up) without feeling bad about wasting everyone's time.
I noticed you put some FAQs up the top. what are these going to contain. It migh be a good idea to put some basic info on wacom tablets and stuff like IN-YER face when people sign up so that the number of what-tablet threads are reduced (heh...maybe make a whole new topic for it).
I don't want to appear a control freak but I'm not sure how much more this forum can take as is.

Does anyone have any comments reguarding this?
*Sigh* I't just get's so hard when after a day I have to go back two pages just to keep up.
I mean the more the better definitly, but how is it going to be managed?




[This message has been edited by Rinaldo (edited September 01, 2000).]

[Frost]

Indeed, there are a lot of posts... I remember somewhere near April where people were making a big fuss over reaching the 10K post... now if I remember correctly we're going to 40K or something. Posts have been increasing almost exponentially which is quite cool, although hard to keep up with. Great artists really pull them in -- where else can you see Spooge's sketches on a nearly weekly basis? =)

Thanks Dhab for keeping this thing up and running. The update is also very neat!

[mantis]

I think action needs to be taken. Any fool who comes and show P-O-S pictures and has an attitude should just be banned. Like that guy who recently posted like 9 different posts and 1 pic for each one!!!

DHABIH!!! I have a great idea. You should start a 'showcase forum' and a 'question and answer' forum.

What do you guys think?


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[n8]

indeed...lots and lots of posts.....i used to come here every 3 days and spent around 2 hrs catching up on stuff....cant do that nymore...and im missin out on a whole heep of good stuff!!....i think the pros should have their own forums..hehehe...and i think i speak for all of us around this forum that we appreciate the time and work youre puttin into this stuffs...thanx heeps dhab =)

[Zaph0d]

Hey everyone, ive been visiting this forum for a while and ive just started posting recently, and i do see what you ppl mean that the forums are getting to big, I myself am a newbie, N8, i dont know if your joking or not about a forum just for pros, but newbies have to start somewere!!
just remeber, you were all ounce newbies, unless you were born with a stylus and wacom in your hand...
Zaphod

[ceenda]

Yeah, my latest post went off the board in about 2 hours... but then I think it sucked ass...

[FatPenguin]

Well, perhaps you should take a look at slashdot.org
Now there is a forum in which it really is impossible to read all the posts. They deal with it by using a moderation system, in which interesting/worthwhile posts are moderated up, and then you can choose to read the highest moderated posts first, keeping the level of crap you read through to a minimum.

the system could not be directly imported to the ubb format, but it might be somewhat interesting to think about.

[ex]

Dhabih, I know how many thanks you have gotten for the forum.. but just to speak for everyone here... I think that we have all learned something and matured our art skills in some ways with the help of all the critique, help, and guidlines that we have recieved from this wonderful resorce. We all know that you dont have to do this for us and once again.. we are all cencerly thankful and well never forget it! (please pardon my horrible spelling )

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[This message has been edited by ex (edited September 01, 2000).]

[Striker]

I think that its time for a few moderators to be appointed. They would have the power to combine someones series of posts into one relevant post when the forum is being spammed, they'd also be able to help point newbies in the right direction and inform them of the do's and dont's of the forum, edit *inapropriate* posts or move them to a more appropriate topic.. blah blah blah

I believe UBB already has this feature, and all that is needed is for Dhabih to appoint several people as moderators in the control panel. This is what all of the highly trafficked forums use to keep the forums running nice and smooth. Possible candidates for moderators that come to mind are (in no particular order): Loki, Rinaldo, Frost, Fred, Francis, Spooge, Joachim... I know some of these people are a bit too busy to take an active role as moderator, but appointing several of the ones that are interested would ensure that the forums are always in *good hands*. Also, these are the people that tend to command respect on the forums, and at least in my experience, have proven themselves to be more than trustworthy to handle the power of associated with being a moderator.

Ah well, I guess to put it simply, nobody likes police, but they do keep things running relatively smoothly. And President Dhabih shouldn't hafta bare the load alone.

Oh, I like the idea of additional topics too.

Aright, I think I'm done now. :P

[ceenda]

I second Striker's suggestion. There isn't a person in that list who would not make a good moderator IMHO.

[Zaphod]

You really HAD to make another Zaphod nick, "Zaph0d"? Couldn't you make something less similar?

/Zaphod, The "Real" one...

[dr . bang]

i read all the post them and i download most of people's art work. Now in my hard drive, i have over 100 mb of peoples art work. Damn, my hard drive can't keep up with this!!

[This message has been edited by dr . bang (edited September 01, 2000).]

[nori]

I really don't like the idea of a moderator. When you give people power, things go wrong.

Also I don't think a moderation system like slashdot would work well. Only the great pieces of art would be moderated up while the people who need real help (me) would be screwed.

I think what this forum could use is an IMAGE ICON that indicates there is an image in the post. And a different icon that indicates there's an image anywhere in the thread. And they would have to be automatic.

[Striker]

quote

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I really don't like the idea of a moderator. When you give people power, things go wrong. - nori

I think your fear of power is misplaced a bit nori, at the moment, anyone that visits this forum has the power to totally ruin it for the rest of us if they choose. Dhabih is the only one that currently has the power to stop a spam fest, and we all know that he isn't always around to make sure everyone plays nicely.

Would you rather have the forum be susceptible to the passing whim of some devious individual that feels like gettin a cheap thrill out of ruining the forums by posting 800 messages in a row? The alternative I suggested merely places a little bit of power in the hands of several people who have proven their commitment to bettering this forum community for all of us, they have shown their expertise in the relevant field (digital art), and again, IMHO can be trusted to handle the responsibility with class.

Don't get me wrong or anything, you're perfectly welcome to your own opinion, I just wanted to try and point out what *could* happen without moderators.

thats all, thx for listening...

[sin]

when i first came here, all of the posts were very overwhelming...and they still are.
I think separate forums for showcasing art, asking advice on current works, and giving lessons/tips would be a great idea.

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[Rinaldo]

Yeah I've always wondered what would happen if someone wanted to stuff things up. reeeal easy to ruin a mesage board. more moderators might work but there would have to be some moderators moderating the moderators if ya know what I mean. power can be an awfull thing
I think the problem is too many threads and not enough posts in the threads. People asking the same questions over and over again. people who want to know how to draw "instantly". or people hwho are not interested in listenting to what others say. There are a lot of little threads that are crying out for help and need attention. but there are an equal amount of threads that do the same, but ask questions that have been answered before. hard to tell the differance. peopple rarely say what they want to do with an image. "how do I make this better" hard to answer becuase they may not want to go into detail, or they may not be interested in using values, just interesteed in the feel of it. whatever.
It is nesicary to learn how to learn in a way.
(ignore this, its is brainstorming aloud)
I Think the idea of a moderator was the opposite of what you said nori. They would push up the threads that need the help. the ones that are not getting enough attention but should.
We need a better system of initialy informing people of things that are generic. A FAQ doesn't always work. Maybe a huge post that can be copied off a word doc. and given to anyone who asks what tablet to buy etc. Giving suggestions about how to make the transition to digital. What books everyone recomends. General theory on anatomy and other tutorials. then maybe the thread can be shut off or something (1984 I know but just a sugestion) Too much repetition that detracts from talking about new stuff makes everthing boring. Sometimes I really want to help the person but I just can't be bothered saying stuff that has already been said.

(more brainstorming)

[This message has been edited by Rinaldo (edited September 01, 2000).]

[nori]

striker: never has, never will.

[Binke]

You don't need to read everyone's topics Dhabih
I usually do not. I read the topics of the artists I am familiar with.
*sigh* I remember when it all started back in October 99


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[ceenda]

binke: oooooOOOOOOooooh... and who art worthy of thy attention?

[Jeezus]

Rinaldo's got the right idea here.. if we could put up things that have already been discussed on the board for the new people to read without having to add another post, it should definitely start to strip the board of a few messages. like a tutorial\info section up top, if people are willing they can compose a tutorial of something that's been covered on the board already. hair, eyes, silhouette drawing, ect.. it can be made clear that these kinds of topics have been discussed and put there for the purpose of cleaning up the forum and making it a nicer place to be that along with a hardware forum and the FAQ should hopefully make a difference.

[Jenn]

w00t... Dhabih.. Thanks@#%%$#

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[Thorn]

I rather like the forum the way it is, particularly the fact that there's no separation between amateur artists and professionals, students and veterans. Why introduce any sort of 'pecking order'? Don't we all get enough of that out there in the noncyber world?

As for moderators, well I think the board does a pretty fair job of self-moderating. Sometimes its *paintbrushes at 50 paces*, mostly its humour with a bit of vinegar thrown in. Seems to work.

What I'd definitely like to see is a spot for tutorials and group themes. There's been some great ideas put forward lately (Fred's post-apocolypse idea, for example)and they end up buried in the threads. A resources archive of good tips would be great, too, along with like Nori's *image icon* idea. That sounded good to me.

PS. Great forum, Dhabih. Many thanks.

[jasonN]

I used to be able to keep up, but this place has so many new faces and so many posts it's impossible to keep up without sacrificing my real life. heheh.

I don't like the idea of moderators, but that's because I've seen whole forum vs forum debates over moderating and the way they abused power was absurd. But I guess that's just a one off thing.

The only thing I think should be changed is that I think people should try to be less lazy and use their time to reply to the less fortunate people who don't get a hundred replies. But then again, I'm pretty lazy myself

-jason

[Binke]

ceenda: Bah go eat sausages! hehe

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[Chapel]

I feel like I'm digging this post out of the archives, but its only a few days old. I'm getting tired of the "look what I spent 2 minutes on.. critique me" posts. I know I've made one of these posts myself, but that was before the recent flux of newbies to hit the board. As far as setting up more forums I think a web design forum might be in need. That would cut down on all the "check my site out" and "look at this flash animation" posts. I myself don't really care if someone can make a button fly across the screen really neat. I get the feeling that some of the better artists that use to contribute alot will be scared away from the board just do to lack of time to read 100 new posts a day.

[ceenda]

Chapel has a point.

Something else, a little psychology perhaps. I think that alot of people (perhaps newbies) tend to post queries (even if they find them in the search) simply to try and edge in on the community... in a friendly way, I mean.

That doesn't really make sense does it? Well, I hope you get what I mean.

[ceenda]

Just to expand a little on what I just said.

Chapel: I think the reason we get a lot of newbie "spooge, look what I did in 2 mins" posts (I'm just using spooge as an example) is that spooge and alot of the artists on the board don't contribute much to the Random Musings board (not that they should have to mind you...), so I think that newbies tend to put these 2 mins pics because it seems and easy way to get insant attention...

... good thing I'm no psychologist eh?

[Chapel]

ceenda: I'm not referring to the speed pics, because a majority of those are finished paintings to some extent. I'm referring to the ones that decide to post something that just started so they could get feedback or the pics that the artist only felt like spending 5 minutes on and posted it anyway. Pretty soon we will be giving tips on better stick figures, because that is all that will be posted. I think everyone would benefit more if people just posted pics that are atleast 75% done.

By the way, I'm one of the few who check the board frequently and lately I can't even keep up.

[This message has been edited by Chapel (edited September 04, 2000).]