[Chate Noire]

I was wondering if any of you happen to know where can I find a good warez site with Poser. I'm dying to get that program and haven't got the money to buy it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[daz199]

I've seen it around but its about 125 megs...only good if u have cable

[Danny]

Jeezzz.. what ever happend to good old fashioned honest hard work to make some money and then go out and *BUY* the damn program!! Especially if you think it's that good.

And as Nex already pointed out.. This isn't a warez forum.. so take it elsewhere.


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Trust in Trance

[Bloodnite]

hey man, i dl'd poser4 from a warez site, it's not bad... i cant exactly remember which one it was though... sooooo, hope ya end up finding one with it. And for those who oppose warez, why buy it when you can dl it for personal use. Why spend money on something you can get for free. while the money you spend on something you can get for free, could go towards something more useful, like a car payment, or whatever, no clue. Choose something that you could use the money you'd buy a program for, and it could goto better use. that's the way i see it. But yeah, i do stand on the side where it's only good for personal use, so please no spamming the board flaming me. blah, blah, blah?


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[mannyp]

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Originally posted by Bloodnite:
...And for those who oppose warez, why buy it when you can dl it for personal use. Why spend money on something you can get for free. while the money you spend on something you can get for free, could go towards something more useful, like a car payment, or whatever, no clue. Choose something that you could use the money you'd buy a program for, and it could goto better use. that's the way i see it. But yeah, i do stand on the side where it's only good for personal use, so please no spamming the board flaming me. blah, blah, blah?

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Why bother creating original artwork -- just steal it from someone else and make money off of it? Why bother wasting the time perfecting your skill when all you have to do is rip someone off.

While we're at it... can I take your computer?


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[Nex]

This is NOT a warezboard.

[Bert]

In French "Chate" spells with 2 "t": chatte...
just noticing...

[Nex]

"Why spend money on something you can get for free. "

Yeah.. I could get all the cars that stand on the street below me for free, just have to crack them..
Hey, its only for personal use anyway.
I'm not going to make money off it

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[Visigoth]

Hey, I like this whole idea of ripping off other people's hard work... It'll save me from doing any myself!

</sarcastic hatred for warezpuppies>

~{V}~

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[assa]

Bloodnite & Chate Noire :

It's pretty naieve to think that warez are a
normal method of getting FREE software.
Some pro software packages are really
expensive but that's because the original
developper spend a LOT of time, money and
human resources during the development phase.
Professional companies are happy to pay this
amount of money, because good software means
a better workflow, more productions and more
profit. It's a win-win situation for both.

If you can't pay for e.g poser or 3dsmax etc.
attend an (art) school or simply get another
cheaper program!
There are lot's of cheaper alternatives, cuz
sometimes you just have to be creative
WITHOUT the use of big bucks. You can allways
switch programs later, and remember that
using the most advanced program available
does not make you an instant & sucessfull
artist. Once you get the basics, you can use
any software program. Talent beats technique!

Most important, warez are illegal and asking
for illegal software copies can get YOU and
the sijun board admin in trouble. Do not
become a freeloader, it's a waste of your
spare time.

Be carefull with the warez related questions!

assa
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[Danny]

Bloodnite, your reasoning makes no sense at all! What would you say if I came into your house and stole your computer without asking you cos I figured I needed it for personal use? You'd probably be swearing a crack into Hell while reaching for your shotgun. Don't tell me this is not a valid analogy because what it in both these cases really boils down to is that one is taking somebody elses hard earned money.
Just because software is so much easier to steal (as opposed to something physical like a computer, car, etc.) doesn't make it right, no matter what use it's for.
If you really need the software, BUY IT! I totally agree with Assa, if you can't afford it, find something cheaper. Just like the way it goes in real life when you do your grocery-shopping or go out and buy a car.

'nuff said...




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[Bloodnite]

Just saying that my reasons do make sense, and that using an analogy as 'stealing a car, or computer' are not the same, they may in a slight amount, but not totally. And for the fairy that posted the analogy implying that i would steal someone else's art work and claim it as my own, is just another part of a stereotype. 'Oh my god, it's a warez person, he must be really bad'. You can sit there and write all the analogies down that you want concerning the whole warez thing. all i have to say really is, fuck buying the $9879 programs, when you can dl them for free, use some intelligence. It is okay to use for your personal use. As long as you dont distribute the warez you dl'd to like 1384185 people,etc, to a level, it's lawful. As many analogies as you can make, it's still not the same as warez, so please discontinue using them. And of course there is going to be more arguing about the issue at hand, sooooo, blah blah blah.

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[SewerRat]

<i>It is okay to use for your personal use. As long as you dont distribute the warez you dl'd to like 1384185 people,etc, to a level, it's lawful.</i>

No, it isn't. Downloading it is illegal. You are an ass to think that it is legal to get expensive software for free.

<i>As many analogies as you can make, it's still not the same as warez, so please discontinue using them.</i>

And how isn't it the same as warez? The only way I see is that it is much easier to download warez than it is to break into your house and steal your computer. You are stealing money from the company who made the program.

[mannyp]

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Originally posted by Bloodnite:
Just saying that my reasons do make sense, and that using an analogy as 'stealing a car, or computer' are not the same, they may in a slight amount, but not totally. And for the fairy that posted the analogy implying that i would steal someone else's art work and claim it as my own, is just another part of a stereotype. 'Oh my god, it's a warez person, he must be really bad'. You can sit there and write all the analogies down that you want concerning the whole warez thing. all i have to say really is, fuck buying the $9879 programs, when you can dl them for free, use some intelligence. It is okay to use for your personal use. As long as you dont distribute the warez you dl'd to like 1384185 people,etc, to a level, it's lawful. As many analogies as you can make, it's still not the same as warez, so please discontinue using them. And of course there is going to be more arguing about the issue at hand, sooooo, blah blah blah.

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Nobody here placed the "bad" stereotype on you as a person. You could very well be the nicest person on the planet; it doesn't excuse illegal aquisition of software (no matter HOW easy it is to get nor how many other people do it -- period).

Poser isn't an expensive program... by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, it is STILL as bad as stealing a car, computer -- anything. That's why it's against the law. Does the fact that a lot of people use cocaine make it okay, despite that it's againts the law to use, sell or manufacture it? I think the only one here not using any intelligence is pretty obvious.

Cheerz


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[assa]

Bloodnite :

Even when you do NOT spread the software
yourself, you are STILL acting illegal.
This "personal use only" myth is just a bad
excuse! A zillion people not paying anything
(because they also hide behind this "i'm only
using it at home for fun etc." crap reason)
cost companies like e.g Adobe a LOT of money.

Many freeloaders do not pay anything at all
even when they make money by using a software
package. It's just a way of life for them.

With this attitude you are lost, and I am
happy to believe you own lot's of other
people ca$h. Maybe you start to respect other
people (and their work/productions) at the
moment you're ripped off by a fellow
freeloader yourself!

Think about it..

assa

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[Snakebyte]

I know I�m probably going to get flamed for this but here goes nothing..

I would have to AGREE with Bloodnite. Personally, I do not have an income to speak of so the idea of spending a few hundred dollars on a program that will be of little use to me in a year or so is little hard to swallow, Its hard enough to buy computer equipment.

As for the car analogies� not quite the same as the warez thing. When I download something I�m downloading it from someone who is offering to me without charge. That�s not stealing in the same manner as stealing a car or a computer, if it were I would be downloading the app without the wares webmasters permission, in witch case he shouldn�t have had it on public display to begin with.

It�s a completely different story ,however, when you take it from the store, that�s just shoplifting and THAT would be a good time to use the car analogy. In that case nobody was offering it without charge.

Granted, if I had the money and were not strapped for cash I probably would buy more as opposed to downloading it.

Flame me as you please, Iv herd it all.
Like Bloodnite said, Warze does not make me a bad person.

[Rinaldo]

While I'm not totaly against the idea of pirate software under particular circumstances. You would have to be totaly stupid to claim that it is not stealing. Talk about painting a big red "idiot" on yer forehead. Leagaly and moraly you are stealing. You are in violation of a contract (does anyone actuialy look at the agreement thing before pressing "next") and you are depriving people of revenue.
The pirate mentality is a parasite that is destroying it's hoast. It is insanity.
With games it is worse, there are a whole bunch of fantastic games that have had poor sales due to pirating. I can empathise with the poor begginer not having the cash and wanting to learn. but as soon as you are using it a lot then pay up god damnit. And as for not having enough money. I am talking about poverty here. If I had enough money to buy a car I would not be buying a car. If I had enough money to eat out I would not be eating out.
I mean go for it, download to your heart's content. But don't for a friggin minute go and try to convince yourself it's not stealing. It is, period.
I hear that sort of thing from people who steal of the shop shelf. "it's not stealing, they factor it into their prices" "why buy when you can steal" it becomes very hard to buy anyhting when you can have it for free.
Just becouse it has no material aspect does not give it any lesser value. this is to do with interlectuial property rights. there are strict rules concerning these concepts. they are often considered more important than material wealth.
Adobe own that code they make money off it. it is their's and they lisence it to you. It is their creation. Their art. And they have, should, and will take people down for pirating, because if everyone has that mentality then guess what's gonna happen. They go bankrupt. And then what happens to PhotoShop.....not bloody much.

[Nex]

Snakebyte:

So then its better in your opinion to buy a stolen car (with you knowing its been stolen) than steal it yourself?

I don't see that much a difference.. the way you come to it is different but with the same outcome. You have something that does not belong to you.

To "for personal use" I might add that if you download appz you might as well download games no? (don't tell me you don't).
Do you think games are made for big companies or for single users?

Err.. whatever, do what you want but please leave this board out of it. You can exchange those links as well by email.

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[balistic]

Look at the website in Bloodnite's profile:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4956/cool.html

Should we introduce him to JeffK?



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[Visigoth]

Haha he's one of the KeWLieZ...LMAO

His javascript code is stolen too...haha

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[Snakebyte]

Blah�.. blah��. And blah�..


Nex: I don�t know about the other guys but I DON�T download games (99.9% of all games suck) Most of the games I have were purchased by a friend or collectively by all of us.

As for the car� Hell no. Taking a stolen car is a bit on the extreme. The victims having lost Thousands on a SINGLE car (not collectively) instead of a hundred or so on a single copy (again, not collectively). (ya, ya I know the software industry looses millions due to piracy)

But I know there is nothing I can say that would let you see it the way I do so I�m not even going to try any longer. What you (all of you) are saying is true, I know, but when I can afford it I will buy and not pirate. You do not have to be in Poverty to not have the money to pay for a $600 CD.

Lastly, I wonder how may people that argue against piracy use Napster? Or have mp3�s of songs they didn�t pay for�.

[Bloodnite]

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Lastly, I wonder how may people that argue against piracy use Napster? Or have mp3�s of songs they didn�t pay for�.

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My thoughts exactly. The same issue on napster is the same as warez. Easy access to mp3's and burn our own cd's,etc. Not everyone becomes a cd dealer and makes profits on their own by dl'ing the songs, and eventually end up buying the cd from a store. And tell me this, why do companies make it so you can buy Cd-r/cd-rw burners to make your own cd's and burn your own shit. If there wasnt burners out for sale on the market in computer stores, there wouldnt be alot of the warez and burning of cd's and shit now going on. It's the same for dreamcast games, if there wasnt burners available, warez for it wouldnt be there. It's the companies and shit shooting themselves in the foot, making a few $$$. And as for the fairies looking at my old geocities page, it's exactly that, old. I made that pos page when i was like 14, soooo, i dont really care if you flame me about it or not. It does blow, why do you think i made a new one. blah blah.



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[mannyp]

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Lastly, I wonder how may people that argue against piracy use Napster? Or have mp3�s of songs they didn�t pay for�.

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It's just as wrong to download songs you don't own with the exception of:

1)It's been officially released by the band for free personal use across the net...

2)You've payed for it (through an MP3 subscription site of some sort).

3)You own the song already on CD. (but you wouldn't need to download it anyway -- you can always rip it off your CD anyway provide you don't distribute it).

If you downloaded an MP3 that isn't sanctioned by the owners of the copyrighted material in question, it is wrong. Pure and simple; Cut and dry. Again, it's a person's piece of art (subjective as it may be). If they give permission to let you download it; great.

P.S. People who burn MP3 CDs don't buy the original copies after the fact... never have -- never will. Several friends in college have libraries of music all burned on CD -- none are the original copy. They haven't had to buy a CD in years.

P.P.S Passing the buck by saying "If it weren't for CD writers, warez and stuff wouldn't happen, etc." That's like saying: "If it wasn't for cars, there wouldn't be any drunk drivers". It's not the tool that creates the situation -- it's the person and the choice they make. Again, would you like someone to steal your work?

Cheers

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[balistic]

quote:

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And as for the fairies looking at my old geocities page, it's exactly that, old.

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Guess I should revise my MPlayer doodle then.






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[Mr.Kh]

As we're on the topic of Warez, I think downloading games so you can cheat the companies and get free shit is stupid, because most PC games are less than $100 and you get cool manuals and a neat box, it's worth it. But buy high grade applications for digital art, without barely getting used to them doesn't make alot of sense to me. I don't have the 1000$ to blow on PS 5.5 just to find out it's a p.o.s. So, I downloaded it and found out it was fairly decent, and I am now a proud owner of a very expensive peice of software known as Photoshop. I don't doubt, nor am too naive to know, that not very many people are honest enough to actually buy the software. I know that it is wrong to "steal" the software(actually stealing the right to use it) But on many occasions I have avoided being ripped off by big corporations with fancy packaging. However, as Nex said this is NOT a warez board and I will not, although I know of locations that hold this software, disclose the location. As it is highly inappropriate.

Although you may think my try before you buy method is tainted and there are many other options, you must account for my age which limits me as noone sees me as a potential buyer worth wasting the effort of showing me the program. Older people may be able to go to the store and ask to see how a program works and get some help with it but noone expects me to spend 1000$ on Photoshop or any other expensive product and will not "waste" their time showing it to me. I could download demo copies although perfectly legal have left a trail of non-working programs, registry keys, and junk-email with me. I know my way are wrong, but human nature is that we all try to rationalize our actions.

Summarily, Warez is not OK and many people have worked long hard hours to make a program to help you. Help them by buying the program if it does help you. And although MP3's are comparable they have many other issues including the fact that you can tape record any song you want off the radio, their complexity alone voids them from this argument.

[JayBee]

When's Dhabih going to remove this thread?

Discussion of Warez on a public forum, followed by the provision of advice on procuring it, can get this forum in a LOT of trouble. I don't care what people's personal opinions are on this matter - I have my own, but I'm not posting them here, cos this is a DIGITAL ART forum, not a moral issues forum, or a pirateers-not-so-anonymous forum.

Pirate Software is illegal. I'm not passing judgment on the people who do it, but to bring something like this up on this forum beggars belief.

Let's stick to the topic, eh, and try not to get sijun shut down?

Cheers



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[Nex]

I don't think that CD rom burners are sold because you can burn your mp3 cds and music cd's with them but because its outdated to use Diskettes. 700MB compared to 1.44 MB storage capacity. Streamers are just too slow and to vulnerable (to magnectic influences) to be used as storage medium any more professionaly.

So CR-R its just a new medium to store data to.

But I agree to your mp3 comment. Thats true.. illegal mp3s are as illegal as anything else-

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