[Muzman]

(that's not People's Liberation Army btw)

to crowd: Hi my name is Muz and I'm a perspective lamer.
crowd Hi Muz.
:I've only been listening till now. but the other day I realised I have a problem. I was trying to draw a train conceptual for this thief mod I'm in. I just had a basic idea, splashed out some colour and then tried to reverse engineer the perspective onto it and go from there. but *sniff* I realised that, when i think about it, I don't even know where to put the two vanishing points!!



I've admitted have a problem; I've admitted there is a higher power (ie: most of the folks around here). Now I need to know how to go about making amends.
sits down
group leader: Thanks for sharing that Muz.

(seriously though; the whole thing looks wrong to me. What was the name of that book everyone says is so good (well, fred and samdragon said it was great)? I have liquid finances nowadays to buy such things.)

[Sumaleth]

We wondered about this back in the old Paint Along With Fred thread and never really came up with any answers. It seems that the two-point perspective approach is very much an approximation and isn't based on anything too mathematical. I couldn't find any formulas anyway, there may be some...

Essentially it's like this; the closer together you place the two VP's the wider the imaginary camera lens is.

To get the look you have with the train might be something like a 70degree lens but if you moved the VP's together then that might be a 120degree lens for example.

It's all complicated by the fact that the horizon line is really a circle that goes around the viewing position so when you move a VP off to the side it's really going "around" you. Hard to explain, harder to figure out mathematically .

Sumaleth

[Blind]

Hiya Muz... have you been to the Art Studio Chalkboard and read through their stuff on perspective? It's pretty interesting stuff, and might give you some of the answers you're looking for.

Also, one of the books mentioned in the Paint Along With Fred thread was Creative Perspective For Artists And Illustrators by Ernest W. Watson (1955). I think spooge may have been the one who mentioned it, not sure. I snagged a copy off of Barnes & Noble for $8.95 USD. I'm slowly plodding through it and trying to absorb it all. It's answered a ton of questions for me since I picked it up. Definitely worth picking up, IMO.

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[Muzman]

Thanks a heap lads. very informative. (some of these art sites should get their meta tags sorted out. they hardly ever show up through the major search engines.)

Ahhhh, damn it's good to have this joint back (4 days is forever in 'net time)