[Chris]

I am sorry, but fustration is kicking in here about this presidential election.

Bush won! Fair and square! These gore people in the Palm Beach county are being SORE loosers and Gore is pushing them on to fight. They already got there right to vote, to vote again is throwing what makes this a democracy!

These ballets were in EVERY local paper 2 AND 1 week BEFORE the election took place and there were NO complaints then. The only time they complained is after the count.

If there was confusion it should have been addressed before hand! You know the sad thing? These ballats, which was sooo called confusing, were made by the democratic party and voted to be an official ballet by the D party.

Oh and this double punched ballet is sooo much BS. 15000 ppl said they punched 2 holes (one next to buchanan and one next to gore) when they wanted just Gore. WELL that was JUST in Palm Beach county this was addressed. Of course ppl DON'T take into consideration that there were 14500 ppl in 1996 that double punched there ballets in the SAME county Palm Beach. So now that it is so close they want to redo it, that isn't right!

Chicago and Ohio used the same type of ballets and there were NO confusion and no outrage like Palm Beach.

Oh and I watched Rev Jackson talk last night, MAN does he suck at making his point, he stuturs like hell, took him 5 minutes to say 2 sentences

Ok, sorry..but that was making me angry..this election should be over!

BUSH should be the elect already!

[Count Zero]

Thank god he isn't.
I just hope the abroad votes + the recalculation of the original votes is enought to make Gore win.
They wouldn't be counting them again unless there was a good reason...

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[Chris]

Bush won on the re-count by 327 last night all 67 are in. But now Gore wants those 15000 ppl to be able to re-vote and that isn't right, if that was the case EVERYONE should re-vote and that isn't why we have an election (to make it favor in another after the vote is done) we have to do once and elect from that vote...not vote over and over and over again till it favors the party that it wants to.

[Duckman2]

I happen to be a Gore supporter, but Gore is just going to end up fuck the country up by doing this more than George Bush will in his presidency, Al you lost fair and square sit down and shutup. To tell you the truth I hate both of the candidates. I voted for Ralph Nader

[Count Zero]

Won by 327 votes?
So the some 2000+ votes coming from abroad MAY change the balance. So no problem in waiting. But yeah, I get your point on having only a portion of people re-voting.
If it was up to me, I'd have everyone re-vote, or just re-count the existing votes. Not a combination of both.

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[Impaler]

They should have a deathmatch.

Winner is the prez.

Screw the democratic process.

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[Maruman]

who gives a fuck. americans are already so fucked up its not gunna make that much of a difference :-) heh sorry about that .. i'm not in america so :-) heh

[FaithInChaos]

al gore is not jesse jackson
al gore is al gore, he isnt responsible for the actions of the entire democratic party.

i havnt heard al gore say that he wanted a recount, i havnt heard much of anything from al gore on the events taking place in florida. why is everyone blaming al gore for things he hasnt said or done?

you morons voted for bush because a)hes republican or b)he has more personality than gore. i doubt anyone with half a brain voted for bush because they thought he was qualified to run the country. i just hope bush can stay away from the bottle for four years. it would look bad if our president got another dui and became a felon (which he should have been convicted of in the first place, damn drunk)

[Chris]

He can run the country just fine and so can Gore...I mean 49% of the country voted for gore and 49% voted for bush. So I don't see how you think Bush can't run the country.

And I am not blaming Gore, First off I am blaming the florida people. They want a re-vote after they didn't like their first decision, which just isn't right. I don't see how you don't see that.

So, let's recap what happened in this election. We all voted, Bush won. OK, cool..except when the D party brought up the confusion in Palm Beach. SO, under florida state law, we RE-counted. Guess what Bush won again. It should be done right then!

But wait, it went from 1200 vote margin to 327, what happen...looks like a bunch of Gore votes slipped in there?!? How! Oh and now Gore wants another Re-Count, why? OH so maybe this time he will recieve another 800, cause aparently they didn't plant enough Gore votes the first time. I am sorry but that is how I feel, I see coruption here.

[Spitfire]

Dont get me started. Bush is a sad, fascist, conservative dickhead whose execution should be a national sport. Gore is a bit of a loser but at least he doesnt want to take womens rights away, persecute homosexuals, make gun laws less strict, base the US foreign policy on military power alone, etc. etc. etc. With Bush we have someone who'll be happy to play hitler for as long as the people'll let him - which in the case of the USofA is probably as long as he lets the rednecks keep guns and beat faggots. Yippikayee, motherfucker.

The scary thing is : americans dont vote on presidents because of their political ideas but because of their media presentation and some loose remarks on things they have thought about 2 times in their life. America isnt a democracy, its a fucking talkshow.

[Count Zero]

I agree with Spitfire on this one.
If Bush wins, I'm afraid of what they'll do to me when I go visiting in December. Probably shoot me as a communist spy or something like that.
Chris, I doubt there has been any foul play in the election process. Besides, there still are the abroad votes, as I have mentioned several times...



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[Count Zero]

I thought Bush wanted to decrease international involvement, while at the same time increase funding for the military.
Umm, why? When you already are the greatest military power in the world, why go further?
What I hear is that Bush wants to break the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) and basically make nuclear weapons a reality in combat.
So I'm really looking forward to Bush winning the elections and declaring war on Russia, Iraq or some other country.
Yep, that's what America needs right now; more military power. Not increased funding for education (to lower the massive illeteracy rate) or a working social system. The rich should get richer, while the poor get poorer. Ahh, now that's a working democracy.

[Transcendence]

Both Bush and Gore have some pretty stupid/odd ideas and etc...so, I'm kinda goin for Nader. I'm 16, so I can't vote[obviously]..but that's just IMHO.

edit: I agree with the recounting being BS...think about the laughs other countries are getting out of this...

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[Affected]

Um... Didn't Gore actually get a whole lot more votes than Bush?

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[Chris]

Gore did get more, That is why whoever wins florida becomes the president.

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What I hear is that Bush wants to break the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) and basically make nuclear weapons a reality in combat.

Unless you have a source for this (reliable) I think that is BS.

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Yep, that's what America needs right now; more military power.

Matter of fact we don't need more, but it costs a lot of money to keep what we have right now. Protection costs a lot of money..simple as that. Military's main goal isn't to invade, but to protect.

I don't know what you got against democracy. People have a choice in it. Schooling (Education) is free from K-12th grade. Now I have been taught 2 things in my life. One, Education is important. Two, You get what you pay for. You wanna suck on the free education, then by all means you will get the bear minimum. I spent money on other books, internet access at home and computer to increase my knowledge in the computer industry. I took my free education and put more into it instead of sucking it dry with no benifit...which most parents think their kids should do.

We don't need better schools with new air conditioners and painted walls, we need better teachers and a little more pay for them. Don't forget they get 3 months off.

[Chris]

I just wanna know how 800 gore votes got in there.

And about taken womens rights, etc..there is no way he could do that. Remember this is a democracy, not a dictatorship, just because he says something doesn't mean it will happen. Things travel through WAY too many people below him before anything is EVEN considered (house, congress, etc.)

I don't like the gore administration at all, they are too full of themselves and what this country has. They pulled out troops looking over some of the top terriorist in the world so far in the white house. Bush won't, he is going to push for more troops and more eyes looking over these guys and that's what we need, otherwise we will have terriorists just walking in here with nuclear substances and other harmful things.

Bush is way more aggresive then Gore and in today's world we need that more then ever, to protect ourselves and other fellow americans and allies.

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[Budoka]

Who do you guys reckon would be better;

a) Bush with his extensive knowledge of world peoples, e.g. the Greecians - and the man who believes " in future more and more of [America's] imports will be from abroad."

or

b) Gore, the man who "invented the internet."

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Bush/Gore - the worlds first age rated election.

[Ragnarok]

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You wanna suck on the free education, then by all means you will get the bear minimum.

I think you should go to a better free education. USA looks like a country where money makes a huge difference, and that's not good in my opinion. I keep wondering why people in USA are mainly of right parties, you have no Social parties?

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Military's main goal isn't to invade, but to protect.

Then why all the wars you've been involved in have been in other countries?

[Count Zero]

I have this amusing comic by Clay Butler called Sidewalk Bubblegum.
Two guys, one and interviewer the other interviewe(?).

"Excuse me... I'm doing a survey. Could you tell me if you would rather be kicked in the ribs or punched in the stomach?"
"What?"
"Ok... Would you rather be stabbed with pins or burned with a cigarette?"
"Come again?"
"Hmmm... Now, would you rather eat dirt or chew on worms?"
"Huh?"
"One more... Would you rather vote democrat or vote republican?"
"Oh, democrat of course!"

My thoughts exactly.

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[Jabberwocky]

I voted for Big Bird...

I say we put them on an island for a month and the surviver wins.

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Then why all the wars you've been involved in have been in other countries?

To keep the peace in those allied countries. If we don't keep an eye on them and keep the peace, they could stir up some crazy, ahem, stuff and bring it to us later. If we keep the peace in other countries, then it is easier to keep the peace (and more importantly, worry about our own problems) in the US.

Even if we pulled out all the troops and brought them back to the US then later we would have to worry about them (other countries) even more then now.

It's not like the US is starting these wars. I mean look at the countries that are at war and why. 70% of them is religion conflicts. 30% is resource expanding.

We aid for benifits. It's not like we support for nothing, I'm not talking $$ benifits, all though that is probably one. But favors in the future is a benifit or trading rights, or land rights, etc. That is why we have NATO, to establish the benifits of each country to aid others and live peacefully w/o conquering like the romans did.

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[Chris]

And yes we as well as other Countries make HARD ASS mistakes, but at least we learn, and maybe that is how we should learn. Learning things the Hard way is sometimes the best way.

[Spitfire]

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Remember this is a democracy, not a dictatorship, just because he says something doesn't mean it will happen.

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Bush is way more aggresive then Gore and in today's world we need that more then ever, to protect ourselves and other fellow americans and allies.

What exactly would america defend iself from? a dozen fundamentalists with AK47�s? the russian mob? The only enemies the US has are those within its own borders... Unemployment, racism, sexism, violence - things bush condones.


Oh and Trance : totally agree with you, of all ones Nader i the best but you got to ask yourself will it matter if i vote for nader? becaue you KNOW either bush or gore will win - so why not vote for the least worst of the 2 instead fo someone who wont make president anyway?

[Spitfire]

Oh yeah, point being : we dont have to be afraid of Russia anymore, now we can fear the US.

[Chris]

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What exactly would america defend iself from? a dozen fundamentalists with AK47�s? the russian mob?

WHAT? Did you hear what happen in Oklahoma City? How about to 3 of the US embasys outside our borders? Terrorists have A LOT more power then ak-47's and the russian mob is broke, don't think we have to worry about that

We even fear that some Terrorists have nuclear capibilities. I just think they are smarter then that to use it (let's hope so anyway).

I just don't get why people wanna spend SOO much money on the education cause if we can't even protect the schools from missles coming past the coast then it isn't worth it anyway. There are a lot of crazy people that don't like the US (I am not going to go into why they don't, cause there are a lot of reasons) and we need tax to go there.

If anything it should be put on the shoulders of the state tax to worry about education.

[Spitfire]

Why protect uneducated people? it's better to have a smart, educated country that gets bombed now and then (note : america has NEVER been bombed, nor has there ever been an armed conflict on it's soil since the civil war) than a country full of morons that live in perfect peace. At least, that'd be my choice

[Chris]

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Why protect uneducated people? it's better to have a smart, educated country that gets bombed now and then

Not in my view, nor do we have uneducated people. The tax money goes to bad schools that mostly need construction if anything. There are many schools (especially w/ the internet) that get up to date books for free with promotion of that bookstore (aka amazon.com )

I don't wanna live in fear everyday of my life. I would rather keep slightly ahead in protection technology then any other country, that is ONE less thing to worry about (next is money of course )

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(note : america has NEVER been bombed, nor has there ever been an armed conflict on it's soil since the civil war)

And I would like to keep it that way, and we might have never had a missle come in, but we have had our bombings.

And I'm not saying let's cut out the educational funds all together and have no schools, and whatnot, I just don't see us taking money out of our military funds for education at this time. Our scores nationally are low, but they aren't that bad.

[Affected]

"An age where ALL americans began to live in peace, as equals"

What is this, Sci-fi?

Anyway, how, exactly are gay people are getting more than heterosexual folks?

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[Isric]

Just incase you ask what i'm talking about. bush's princliplas are based on Christian laws and beliefs. Based, they are not them to the letter. America was founded by Christians. Our government and laws have been fundamentally Christian for years on end. Christians were the ones to implement religious freedom in america. We could have been like other Government Religion Ruled countries, and you could be forced to sing songs and belive in Jesus, but they decided to allow ANYONE to come. Now we are being pushed out, spat upon, what we say is being twisted and altered by people like spitfire. If that is not hipocracy, predudice, hate..what is?
i say we could use someone with good principals. Bush will not persecute fags, that's an exageration, and goes against what he believes. Bush will not take away womens rights, women are just as valuable as men are, if not more so.
The world doesn't need more hate, don't give it to us spitfire. (appropriate name by the way)

[Isric]

No it's not Sci-Fi, i'm sure you understand. It might have sounded a bit 'propaganda-ish', sorry.