[kurisu]

There's been a lot of talk/banter/accusations about what is real art and how one should create it. I don't usually do 'realistic' style stuff, and this is hardly realistic, but I like the mood in this piece. I looked at my hand occasionally when making this.

An hour and a half ago, I finished a similar image I was really happy with... spent something like an hour on it... and then went to save for the first time and *blamo*

(That means my PC crashed)

Here is another one, as I didn't want to go to sleep without getting the idea out of my head. I think it needs work, and probably I'll hate it when I wake, but if you have any helpful, constructive comments, that would be groovy...



Danke,

-kurisu

[kurisu]

Oh yeah - and this was done with ZBrush...

[synj]

hey neat. is that like a hand in the sand with a hand grabbing for the other hand's contraband? i am the human beatbox word up



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synj industries, inc.
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[Nex]

Computers do this to me all the time too.. they hate me.

To the pic:
I guess the knuckles (or whatever you call that thing where the bones are connected together in english) could be a bit more round.. think of them as being 3d spheres connected to smaller cylinders (the bones).

The color seems strange to me a bit, because on my hand its excatly the opposite, the "knuckle" skin area is darker in color that the "bones" area.. but maybe this differs from person to person... anyway it looks a bit too dark to me.

If you want to have a good (and hard) drawing exercise on hands then try to draw them in the following pose:

all fingers touch each other on the fingertips (I call it "the italian pose") and you should look on them right from the front. Fingertips and eye in one line.
It's really hard to do it right.


Anyway a cool pic, I hope you finish it

P.S. I wonder if there is any post of you that does not have "ZBrush" in the text



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[Joachim]

nice picture Kurisu.
Leave it like that, I don't think it need more work

I'm still not sure what z-brush is. I understand that it is a program, but what kind of. 3d 2d ?!? This picture is brushed right ? I see noticed you say you use z brush on both 3d and 2d...or ?

ps! I envy your banner icon

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Joachim
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[Muzman]

Das is good. Cool classy. (actually it had me checking the shadow to see if the hand was missing those fingers. that will show up i a later work by synj no doubt. :P)
I don't think you needed zbrush to make this though. However, you are the specialist

[kurisu]

• synj - gracias mi nipple-dan-cing friend :P ("butt," he whispers, "just between poo and pee, it's a giraffe...")
  
• Nex - Thanks - I'll try that exercise shortly and post the results here...
  What are you talking about ZBrush in every post?! There's at least 2 or 3 without it!!!
  
• Joachim - Thanks my friend. Part of me thinks the fingers look like they're floating and not connected to the sand/ground/whatever? I mean, I don't have any photos of dirt... hmm. Maybe some cracked, dry earth with the fingers coming up might add some impact and charm to this piece... I'll see if I can find any photos to use as reference...
  Thanks for the banner compliment (again ) What do you like most about it? Is it the cuteness, the fact that it's animated, the color, the tiny little Jay Leno in the corner?
  
• Muzman - Yeah, the original pic which I lost was a similar hand pose but not as a shadow. As I've learned from some of the amazing painters here (and from that guy with the afro on public television - bless his soul) I blocked out the darker portions of the hand's silhoette first. But, this time around, I just liked the way the shape looked, and decided to keep it a shadow...
  
• ZBrush - I apologize for using you, I really do care about you - but I'm not ready for a relationship right now. I still, *cough* see Photoshop now and then - but that's not for anything really important to me. You add dimension when I want it. You light my way to self-expression.
  

Seriously, though, I used ZBrush for this piece because I don't do too much straight 2D painting with it. It's usually photoshop for that... This used only a couple basic painting functions, but I wanted to try it anyways (I was working on icons and wanted to do something painterly).
To answer what is ZBrush, it's a painting program with 3D in it. That sounds simple, and it really is... you can paint with any amount of depth in your picture and then move lights around, change materials... sculpt objects really easily (and export them)... there is so much in it. I really (could you guess) believe in it... that's why I use it so much.
This forum is a great place to help each other out. So, for me, my question would be... What would you do to change this piece more to your liking??? I'm trying to learn and get other perspectives, and your opinions and ideas would be inspiring and welcome...

Index
Joachim ...page 80
Muzman ...page 120
Nex ...page 40
random farts ...page 2
synj ...page 1
ZBrush ...Appendix Z

hehehehheheh
-kurisu

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[Muzman]

hark! the hack speaks!

lessee. I'd turn it into a slightly twisted photoreal type thing. I saw it as fingers sticking out of the sand or something (it doesn't really matter what it is, I'm just musing.) I'd fix the lighting to one artificial source (I'm dull like that) and have the fingers protruding from the wall (I think that's "weirder" for some reason). Then I'd have the hand (shadow) more relaxed, tentative. As though it's reaching over to touch it, discovering someone who was concreted in or something.

ya with me?

[psi burn]

as usual im a late poster but in case you havent taken into consideration...

its good you lightened the knuckles of the finger, because generally they are brighter (more bone, less blood). however, you could tone it down a bit, cause its just a bit too bright, mostly in the tip of the finger. your finger only turns white like that when you apply pressure to it (pushing your fingers into a wall for instance), because the blood retracts from the area. or use more of a transition, and create a slightly darker and small cast around the back of the fingernail, because, according to real-life, your blood tends to hang behind that area.

sorry for using those blood words, eh..

the finger to the right looks like its sticking out of sand, however the left one seems to just stand there. try to leave some sand residue on the finger, and fade/dissolve the edges of the finger as it gets near the sand.

:] my neck hurts from playing golf.

[Nex]

Here is a pic of my hand (just freshly scanned) where you can see that the knuckles are darker ..



maybe I'm mutant but I think the knuckles are darker because there are more wrinkles there -> more shadows -> darker.

The thing with the blood is true for the fingernails but not for the rest of the skin on the finger (except you press really really hard).

[kurisu]

• Muzman - Hey that's a cool idea - if you're inspired enough, why not post your version here!
  
• psi burn - good blood story - and you're right about the finger that's extended (it's not a middle finger, don't worry)
  
• Nex - Hmm. I don't know, the reference I was using did seem a bit 'odd,' and that's why I covered it with sand... :P (I gotcha, you're right about the darkness...)
  
  
  

Thanks for the comments - it's Friday night, so I don't know how much I can do with this now... but I'll post the toast after I done roast (it)...

Between reading all the forehead-slapping and eye-poking posts, there's no time to paint for me!! lol

-kurisu

[Nex]

damn.. and I thought I could cover those two up.. how did you know?

They come handy in playing the guitar though

[Spitfire]

Ahahahahhahaha Chris, absolutely fabulous

[Nex]

Hey! Now it comes to me..

your name is chris.. you name yourself kurisu..

Are you japanese or do you speak japanese? I guessed so because of your alias.. It would be the translation for chris...



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[kurisu]

sou dearimasen, nekususan. totemo shiroi otoko desu. ima amerikani imasu, keredomo ashita watashino inuo tabemasu (oishiidesuyo!). nihonjinga itatokini wakatteimasen - rikokunai desuyo.

Okay. I'm not and don't (just a little, anyway) "kurisu" is the japanese phonetic way of saying "chris," but I's a white boy! Besides... zen zen wakanai! anatamo nihongoo hanashimasuka?

Someday I'll post a better version of this hand image - if I can stop having so much fun doing silly 2-color animations... Until then - gambattekudasai!!!!

Spitfire - how's the job workin' out for ya? I bet your art directin' up a storm over there!

-k (ohai, sempai, apple pie)