[Incarnatation]

Ive often wondered why some of the people posting here feel the need to talk about how long it takes to do there images. Ive been creating traditional art since i was a really young kid and recently got into digital illustration too. But its something that bothers me that people use the time taken to produce an image as a way of boasting. Its as if the less time it takes you to create something the better, did you know Leonardo DaVinchi took 10 years to paint the monalisa's eyes ?

This might sound like im bitching cause im a slow traditional artist, but i dont mean it like that, i just think art is something that should have time lavished over rather than spinning out the best looking image you can in 20 minutes!

But as i said it is just my opinion, and if you can create fantastic work in short times, more power to ya, but dont use it as a means to make others people feel Inadequate.


Ok rant over
-peace

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Icarus. The man who decieved god to fly among the angels, but crashed among the devils.

[ex]

10 years??? DAMN! this dude had some patience (pardon my spelling)

[ex]

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Originally posted by ex:
10 years??? DAMN! this dude had some patience (pardon my spelling)

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[ex]

lol.. im sorry i meant to edit it. whoops!

[Incarnatation]

indeed

[Hurri-cane]

i have been painting on a canvas on the same pic for 2 years now...and its still not finnished

at least when i type the time it took, is for the viewer to know that.."YES it has alot of errors, but i know...its a fast pic"

thats my reason...if felt like defending me..

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[Joachim]

I never take the time on how long it takes to do my pics...but, still it can be many reasons for doing that...like:

1.To show people how short time it can take to make something good, if you have enough experience or knowledge or work in the right way....-which is a good thing, I think.
2.To make an exscuse
3.To show how much time you can actually spend on a bad picture, like davinci here....hehe, bad joke.
4.Just to have some words posted with the picture, incase you don't have anything else to say...
5. or simply because you're just impressed on how short timeperiod you spent on the most satisfying piece you've done, before people start critiscising it.


so, there can be plenty of reasons...so I don't think it has anything to do with this forum or with Digital Art in general (hell even Davinci bragged about how much time he spent ) And one thing is fore sure, when doing figure drawings or life action drawings time actually matters....which I hope/guess you agree on.

Hmm, after typing this I think I will will start to clock all my work as well

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[Incarnatation]

yeah of course i agree, in particular art, time is extremely relative to the peice, especially when trying to capture a moment as it unfolds infront of you. However for the most part in these forums people draw from either photos or their own imagination.

Personaly i think its more impressive for someone to say they spent a month doing something as it shows a lot of dedication and effort.

-peace

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[DuKEZ]

heh the only reason it took ten years tho cause Da Vinchi never really finished none of his work.. hes like me.. always starting something new without finishing the previous stuff :P.. thro-out his whole lifetime.. he only produced like (i dunno im guessing here).. 10 finished works.. (i know it wasnt alot)

i learned that in art class :P
remeber this guy was more than an artist he was an inventor too..

[Incarnatation]

he's a genius but he aint a patch on the brilliant dali.

[Sowler]

i on the other hand believe the longer a painting takes shows that more work was put into it.. even if it doesnt appeal to me..

so if someone says "it only took like 2 hours"

id want to see one that took a week, or weeks, or months...

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[Moose]

time in art is just a measure of that artist's patience

[Incarnatation]

exunctly

(mis spelt on purpose)

[SonicRage]

Hey Incarnation,

Just for argument sake I really enjoy some of Dali's work but I find his stuff to be a bit redundant at times. His whole interpretation on the 4th Dimension is really intriguing but I felt he dwelled on the same concept for a substantial amount of time. In short, he milked his idea to the death If you are really into food for the mind, try some of the works of Rene Magritte. Check out some of her stuff on the net! By the way, completely on your side about the whole "I did this in 15 minutes" giberish. Time is completely irrelavant in my opinion and patience is a virtue


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-Stanley Chu

[chumps]

I'm glad someone brang this up. Ultimately, artwork should be judged by its own merits, not by the circumstances surrounding it.

If that weren't the case, people drawing upside-down with their feet, while juggling seven knives would be the best artists of all!

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[BooMSticK]

I agree to a certain point. The time spent on a pic is not really important EXCEPT if you are going to show a klient your stuff and he/she want you to do a similar piece to one of your pics that you did in 50+ hours done in 10- hours. Better not say that you did that 50 hour piece in less than those 50 hours or you might find yourself in trouble. Thats why I think that those posts about how long a certain piece took to do are quite interesting.

just me rambling....

,Boomer

[random]

Time matters... If there's a guy who does graphics as a job It's always a good point if he can do good stuff in short time..

I use about 30min-50h with one pic.. I don't think clock much anyway when I'm drawing.. but in my own eyes I'm really slow.. I'm usually much slower than my schoolmates with my works.. painting takes a lot more time than drawings actually..

[el tigre]

fahkin 'ell was magritte a bird??????

Have you seen "the black flag" (i think thats what its called). That blew me away.

Anyway, about the time thing....

My art/design teachers used to shout at me for my lack of concentration/perseverance. I rarely finish a painting if its taking more than say 2-3 hours. I just get bored and have different ideas for other paintings. I must have 15-20 unfinished pieces in the house. Its a shame I suppose.

cheers

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A closed mouth gathers no feet

[ElectroTechno]

heheheh... I'm happy if I ever make a complite picture. I get inspiration, start painting/modeling and in about 15-20 mins it's gone. I have to do something else, go out, drink booze, play game or watch TV. Then I just wait new inspiration or if I'm too drunk, I just mess with colors and shapes... and then I delete pictures/models in morning

E/T

DALI ?!? Dali was death fearing shit eater(facts)! Damn pervert !

[sfr]

SonicRage, Ren� Magritte was a man (it's not Ren�e). As for Dali... well, he was an excellent painter obviously, but his genius often had more to do with showmanship than the works themselves - that's what I think anyway.

Saffron / Sunflower

[General Confusion]

The answer I believe for the most part depends on the person. What I mean is, you'll find that a lot of the professional artists here will preface their artwork with how long it took them to create it because that is what's usually required by the commissions that pay them to work. You'll find that when working on a job you often have to give the client a timeframe as to when the job will be completed. Then again I think Joachim's description is probably very accurate also. However, for the most part you'll see professionals talk like this cause it's just a part of the job.

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[Drorak]

Rather than writing, "it took me 15 min." The artist could simply write "I spent less time on this piece than I normally would." or "here's a quickie" and leave it at that.

Heck, it takes me nearly 15 min just to turn on Photoshop, let alone start painting in it.

[Narzul]

bah! i paint in PS until i find me painting to be good enough or compleat ..i dont mesure time on my watch ,trying to brake some idiotic record...! rushing can be bad

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[Francis]

Is it "boasting" to add the time it took, or is it just one more piece of information about a work that's easy to add?

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[29A]

How about because time is the only thing that matters in drawing... Before everyone jumps on me, let me explain.

Techniques can be learned.
a "Feel" for pictures can also be trained.
Material can be bought.
Motives can be found.

However, time is limited. We all just have a certain amount to use, if you want to make the best drawing possible during your time, the time might just end being 15 minutes before someone hands you more work. (I have an effective way of avoiding this)

It all comes down to the fact that time is limited, use your time like you wish.

PS. Most of my "normal" views are covered above in other peoples posts.

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[Sc00p]

Yes time is important, especially when you do graphics work professionally. In school we are always taught to do things well, but do things fast. Take my freestyle drawing class for example. It is two hours long, and everyday I end up with about 30 marker renderings finished. We are given about 5 minutes to do a quick drawing, of the particular subject of the day.

Also, quick drawings are sometimes all you need for a working design. I did a business design package (envelope, letter head, card) in about 30 minutes, and the main logo was nothing but a 2 second doodle with a wax crayon. But okay, I'm getting off topic here...

When I post how long it takes me to do something, it is usually to justify the slopiness, just so people don't judge that particular piece on how well it was refined, or not refined as the case may be. If I posted one of my usual 10 minute quickies, I would not expect people to like it as much as if I had said it took me 3 years.
And I must say, Joachim's post up above worded it quite well.

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www.nytro.org
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[chumps]

"It is often, however, an excuse. My favorite is the "here's one a painted when I was a fetus" excuse. Oh well, who cares?"

Guilty as charged.

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Stroke my ego.

[Incarnatation]

I may be wrong but some of the time i feel people lie about the time taken to do an image aswell. As if for some reason they feel there work isnt worth looking at it, unless it was finished in a short period.

Im currently working on a image and i know its going to take me ages (if i ever finish it)as im drawing almost pixel by pixel. And im certainly not going to pretend to myself about how long it took, its just cheating yourself and forcing unrealistic expectations on others.

PS- im not accusing anyone of lying i just feel some people may be under-estimating the total time taken

[Drorak]

Myself, I'm interested in knowing how long it takes someone to create a painting, when I can clearly see that they spent some effort doing it.

For instance, I asked Synj yesterday how long it takes him to do an animation similar to the one he posted. And he replied that it takes him from 2-4 weeks.

I don't see why anyone would care that it takes someone 15 min, 18 min or 30 min to draw a sketch.

I'm not trying to insult anybody here, but as an artist that is still learning. Whenever I see this, I get somewhat annoyed. The first thing that comes to mind when I see this, is, "Sure, I know you're better than me... but why do you have to rub it in." Maybe this isn't the message you are trying to give, but this is how it is perceived by many people.

[Mergatroid]

Some studios measure how productive their employees are by how long it takes them to finish a job along with the quality of the finished product (Billing based on how long it takes to finish a job). If your expected to be competitive then you must learn how to be efficient and quick.

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Mergatroid