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tanis · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 12:01 pm

Woohoo! Dudes! You're replying faster than I can even read.. so I missed HumanClay posting.. I hope my previous message explains it all..

I'll put some pins (I hope it's the right word!) in my hands to be punished for all this!

Mozeman · member Member # Joined: 07 May 2000 Posts: 217

If you're such a newbie then the last thing you should be worried about is drawing like Capullo. Worry about your fundamentals. Not only is copying his work directly NOT the best thing to do, it's probably one of the worst things for you at this point.

The reason I say that is because there is absolutely NO structure in your copy of Kincaid. At least your original sketches have some anatomical business going on. The copy stands out as not being your work. If you're going to do that, you should instead look THROUGH Capullo's drawing to the basics underneath. I assure you, Capullo did not first draw the sketch the way you did. You're not really learning anything.

This all sounds harsh I know. I have no problem with an artist copying someone else's work for inspiration or study, but you have to know what you're doing first.

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tanis · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 12:26 pm

Oh well.. I'll never know if I'm best at Capullo-alike stuff, MAd-alike, Some-other-fucking-dude-alike, or whatever if I never try to do something similar to his stuff. So I think it's legitimate to worry about this too.. it's not the only thing I've got to worry about, I know.. there's pose, faces, hands and everything related to anatomy and perspective that I've got to master.. it's just that I think I should do some of everything to get going.

I'm self taught (I hope it's spelled the right way since English isn't my native language) so I haven't got someone who's telling me what to do and what not to.

Now let's come to the structure of that exact drawing.. you're saying that Capullo didn't draw that sketch the way I did.. I can hardly imagine how you could know this since you haven't seen the original but hey.. let's assume you can see things other people don't.. why don't you show me what's wrong in the drawing and how it should be ? I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, I'm serious. It would be something good for me. If you havn't got the time to do that, nevermind.. people have jobs and little spare time so don't waste it if you're not interested.
And please don't get disappointed.. I know that you can literally crush me artistically speaking..

Mozeman · member Member # Joined: 07 May 2000 Posts: 217

I hope I'm not wasting my breath with someone who's not going to listen.

Capullo is a great illustrator. Great illustrators have certain things in common. They rough things out and work them out in sketches. They start with a basic sketch, some composition and build on it. It's the rare artist who draws his final drawing complete line for line. There's nothing wrong with the drawing itself.

I'm trying to help. Someone at your level artistically can't really afford to start arguing with the basics. Give up on trying to be someone else right now. Worry about basics. If you get good enough at drawing, you'll be able to draw like anyone you want.

You may be self taught, which is no easy situation, and it shows. Pick up some books on figure drawing and start learning anatomy and basics.

Basics, basics, basics.

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tanis · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 12:54 pm

I know, I know that I should just stick to playing the guitar, but I can't do anything against my will to draw.. I suck and it shows.. I'm not saying I don't.

Except from things I copy, I do sketch everything out starting from basic figures, but as you can see, I make mistakes and unless I spot them out by myself, no one is gonna beat me up to let me see my mistakes.

Basics.. yeah.. I'll work on them, stay assured. I'm not the kind of person who doesn't listen to people who know more than me.

Will you be willing to help me out and critique my work and say me I'm a lamer and spot where I suck at?
I'd like to be able to e-mail you my stuff to get some reply.. I won't hassle you way too much..

Just let me know and I'd be really happy to be able to get in touch with skilled guy.
BTW thanks for all the replies on this discussion.

genesequence · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 1:46 pm

Tanis:

Don't let Mozes' (?!) comments discourage you. I feel confident saying that it was not the intended purpose of his comments, nor that you need to take it personally.

(Kyle Broflovsky soliloquy music in the background)
You see, Tanis, we all started out at some point or other, emulating John Byrne, Barry Windsor-Smith, Frank Frazetta, Leonardo DaVinci, whoever at some point, and it was the desire to be as good as those artists that drove the endless hours of practise necessary to become a Spooge Demon, or Mozeman, etc.

Speaking mostly from experience, I copied George Perez Teen Titans figures all through elementary and junior high school, before I realized that I actually could develop my OWN style. As Moze says, if you force yourself to stay aware of the basics, the fundamentals of shape, balance, composition, lighting, etc., even if you are copying, you will progress quickly.

(/end Kyle music)

And so, post your sketches, maybe not so many all at once!, and listen to what the artists (who are more talented than I) have to tell you. Their advice is great and they are ALL very sympathetic because they have ALL been where you are! Not knowing much and being surrounded by better artists.

-genesequence (did I mention I also have a degree in Philosophy? No really! I do! A BA and everything!)

Nex · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 1:49 pm

OK, I will attempt to critique all your pictures I you want to read my babble:

>"bigass"
Looks kind of an artsy approach. Since its a very rough sketch I cant say anything really about it.. maybe the soulders look a bit too exaggerated.

>"crouched"
The eyes are too high, the shape of her breast looks odd, right and left lower arm look very different (muscle) the hips look odd shaped and the legs are a bit too thick.
There should be no muscle on the other side of the knee.

>"dumbass"
Is pretty ok, just the neck seems like the neck of a fat man and the rest of the body seems like that of an athlete.

>"dynamic poses"
some of them look good, work on that!

>"hands"

'my hands are small i know, but they're not yours they are my own...' *hums along to Jewel Kilcher*

Upper hand is good, lower hand has a strange little finger

>"kincaid"
well,u know already.

>"madrules"
Cool!

>"wbalike"
quite good too.

the guys said the main things already:
basics man.. anatomy!

Cya around

EDITION NOTICE:
Now that I just saw genesequence's posting this could imply that i am a talented artist because I post a critique

I am not, I just answered because us guitar swingin (or bass swingin in my case) guys have to hold together

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Mozeman · member Member # Joined: 07 May 2000 Posts: 217

I'd be glad to help out as far as the pencil drawings go (I'm not painter).

I'm more of an animator than a comic-style illustrator, but I should be able to help with the basics.

E-mail me privately or post them here (if no one else minds) and all can take a look.

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tanis · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 2:02 pm

genesequence: thanks for the reply and thanks for worring about me

I know I shouldn't take it personally, and I surely won't!
Instead I'll try to learn from this experience to get better.

Nex: thanks for wasting some of your time commenting my pictures

That "dumbass" picture started as a fat man but then I got carried away while drawing the torso

Musicians! Let's join our forces against all those silly painters!

Mozeman: That's definitely something I like to read! I will mail you (the link obviously

) my next drawing (if it's something worth to take a look at). I'm sure you can help me!

tanis · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 11:39 pm

Wow! You got that far! So you could be really interested!

Lange_Pisang · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 11:47 pm

I love the "kincaid.jpg" and the "madrulez.jpg", they're good! Will you work them out on the compu or something? Hmm?
It would be nice then...I think...

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Mozeman · member Member # Joined: 07 May 2000 Posts: 217

Are these sketches yours or by the same person?

No offense, but I'm having a hard time believing that the person who drew "crouched" and "bigass" also drew "kincaid." Was the Kincaid sketch copied from something else?

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Kincaid was copied from a Spawn comic.. as was the face in the "madrulez" pic.

tanis · Posted: Wed May 17, 2000 11:58 pm

Lange_Pisang: I'm not going to do anything with those.. I just made them to learn new tecniques and the like.. if you want you can do wathever you like with them.

Mozeman: The Kincaid image is (obviously) copied from Spawn (original drawing by Greg Capullo). It's not exactly copied point to point but it surely is similar (that was the point when I drew it!). All those sketches have been made by me to learn new drawing techniques since I'm a dumb newbie. I like Capullo's style and I wanted to learn more about it and I think that there's nothing better than copying one of his works to learn what's involved in making such a drawing.
As I said they're sketches.. some finished, some partially and some just.. well.. sketched

The Joe Mad! alike is the other copied from one of Mad! works.. Battle Chasers..
Sorry if I didn't write all this stuff somewhere around here before posting but I'm surely not going to take the glory for whatever isn't a concept of mine.
I hope this explains everything.