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Digital Genesis · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 12:57 am

Hi everyone. I normally don't do this, but I have an immense respect for Simon Bisley, so I thought I'd bring this to attention.

I found the bottom image at Christer Sveen's homepage (http://www.frostcg.com/subzone/csveen/hovedside.htm), whereas the top image stems from the graphic novel Slaine by Simon Bisley (and Pat Mills).

Maybe it's just a homage? But even then, shouldn't a Bisley copyright be present? OR is it just a total coincidence?
It's not really a threnody, more like a rip-off.

DG

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dines · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 1:11 am

Some drawers uses existing pics to draw (as reference or just to copy), the most famous is certainly BorisValejo, this time it was Simon Bisley,

I admit that it's not too original to use a copy for the logo of an art gallery...

Christer · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 6:02 am

Hi DG!

Yep you're absolutely right, that panther is part of a painting I did inspired by a Simon Bisley piece.

It's an acrylic I did a long time ago (I've got a scan of my painting if u wanna see it..) I did not look at the original when I did it, but tried to make one from the image I had in my head of Biz's image..

So it's just me practising acrylic painting techniques basically, like most artists tend to do at some point, I guess.

I just put it on my logo on my site coz I thought it fit well there. I didn't really think about it before, but as I understand you feel very strongly about this, so I guess I can remove it, or just do another one of my own..

But just to be perfectly clear, this is not just a copy and paste job okay, it's one of my first attempts on acrylic painting! And yes, it's based on a motive done by "the man" Simon Bisley.

I'll post my painting here for all of ya to see.

Christer

Christer · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 7:05 am

ok here's the aforementioned pic.. I'm sure you'll see that it's not a direct copy, like I said. I was quite inexperienced with using paint back then, so I can't really say I came too close to the original..

Simon Bisley has been and still is a major inspiration to me in my artwork, as well as Alex Horley, Glenn Fabry, Chris Halls etc. etc. - all with styles reminiscent of Biz. As I'm sure you can see reflected in my work.. I love the style and the feel in those artists. Definetely Something to look up to.

I agree that having an "un-original" piece as part of the logo on my site is maybe not such a good idea, but when I put it toghether I just went through loads of my older stuff to try and find something that I thought fit well with the logo, and I didn't think about the fact it was a copy of another piece. So I'll change that.

Just to make sure you all don't think I'm a simple thief or something, have a look at this recent conan image I have made (not yet sure if it'll get printed tho), all original by me ofcourse: (I wasn't gonna show it just yet but what the hell - just to prove to you that I can do this)..

work-in-progress:

Well, that's all I can say about this. Sorry if I offended someone with that website-logo of mine, it wasn't intended. As for the website, I'll be removing that from the logo, and put up my own artwork as soon as possible! But thanks for the comments, glad you reminded me (and boy, what a way to be reminded....!)

Best,

Christer

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kos.mandis · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 9:38 am

Awesome stuff Christer, can't wait till u get up ur webpage

EyeFool · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 9:47 am

Great looking work Chris

Where is the line between inspiration and plagarism drawn? If you make original work then you are an artist. If you make drawings of original drawings then you are no better than a laser copy machine.

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Hurri-cane · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 10:04 am

yeah....theres a diffrence there EyeFool..

u can use the artists layout or color palette...but NOT paint directly of the original...(maybe its not in christer�s case )...

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Nex · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 10:16 am

I think he already understood. I guess there is no need to flame him further. Christer should add an: "original image by.." (for "inspired by" the pose and anatomy seems too similar I guess).

Digital Genesis · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 12:38 pm

I for one am satisfied with his reply.

Christer, you're cool in my book!

Frost · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 12:49 pm

Awesome work Christer. Too bad it makes me realize how much I suck. Keep up the great work!

Jabberwocky · Posted: Mon May 08, 2000 1:48 pm

When I try to do a new style of drawing I copy other work, and sometimes their whole piece, but I never write it off as my own. A lot of artists use others to help form their own style, but that is just... what's the word... oh yeah... copying! But it is nicely recreated.

The Dude · Posted: Tue May 09, 2000 4:51 am

The Biz would be proud!

Fred Flick Stone · Posted: Tue May 09, 2000 4:48 pm

all art is borrowed from somewhere, its a matter of how you entertwine it into your repetoir of working that makes your work original vs. copied. It's a lot easier to borrow someone elses wheel than invent your own. Besides, in today's day and age, we don't have time to reinvent the wheel. Sargent copied Velasquez and Frans Hal, Rockwell copied Leyendecker, Wyeth, Cornwell, etc. everyone has done it. It's not a bad thing, just don't repaint someone elses painting and call it your own...

Mr Weasel · Posted: Tue May 09, 2000 9:11 pm

Yeah, you got a point there Flick Stone. I suddenly realize that now.

AliasMoze · Posted: Tue May 09, 2000 9:47 pm

Good stuff there. You should show the Conan to people as an example of hair and fur. Not a smudge-a-rama; it has mass.
I see Frazetta has made his mark on another artist

Regarding copying, so WHAT? There are no contemporary pop songs that aren't Beatles-esque, there are no movies that aren't Shakespeare, and there aren't any painters that haven't been influenced by someone else.

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Jabberwocky · Posted: Wed May 10, 2000 1:48 pm

Yes everything is influenced by someone else earlier work. Like Poe influenced H.P.Lovecraft, and Boris Valejo influenced Michael Whealen. Even I copy artist when I try something new, but you don't draw it to the T as the original and claim it as your own. One thing borrowing style , it's another stealing someone's work. I feel strongly about this because I've had stuff taken and told it was someone else. If you've ever done serious art before you've probably had it happen to you. It's upseting. If anything the panther should be said it's (c).