[Fallen]

My 3rd Wacom image.....what's a mouse again???



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[This message has been edited by Fallen (edited March 10, 2000).]

[cecil]

It's beautiful. The eyes and lips are superb, the strand of hair is crisp.

There's something wrong about the shape of the head though, the skull shouldn't be that wide at the top. I also feel the jaws should be more angular

The face is perfect. Those lips look soft and moist.

[dennison]

love it same comments here.. forehead a bit too wide, same with the jaws

[hennifer]

do you draw a face, and then try to draw a head around it? because thats what it looks like, like the features are just floating around on the face. you'll probably have better luck if you try to draw structurally, working with the shape of the skull and the features at once.

another thing-- take a look at pictures of women, and check out the hairline. it's a fair bit different than what you have.

once you get proportions worked out, you'll be able to make some amazing portraits, because you've got really nice line control and smooth coloring.

[Visigoth]

That's a sweet pic man The shape of the head is a little odd, but I love your use of color, and subtle shadow...hehe look me up on ICQ -- We could probably share some techniques...hehe

~{V}~ http://www.darksites.com/souls/goth/visigothan

[Fallen]

From now on, i'm gonna post the original image i worked from as reference as well, because all i ever hear in here is "The head is all wrong.....", "You should study faces more..." That is the shape of the girls head in the original pic. A quick line drawing is always traced into my computer right off the actual image.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind criticism, but come on!!! The shape of the head is traced for proportion. Why not criticise the actual painting style or the colors or something that i have done to the pic, not something nature has done to the model.
I can't help it if that chicks got a big head!...It obviously didn't inhibit her modeling career cause thats where i got the pic.

Sorry to rant, but I just expected different criticism.

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[kurisu]

Hi Fallen,
I like your picture. I liked it when you first posted it, and still do. The color scheme, line quality and polish look nice. An interesting picture
I understand what you're saying about 'how can someone judge an artwork...?' If you're interested, see the topic I posted called 'what is good art' (or something to that effect). You might see some commonalities in opinions there (especially mine!).

- kurisu

PS: I think more people should 'ask first' before 'shooting.'

[micke]

I like the style of the pic+ the over-exposed
light in it The only thing i noticed
is that it's maybe little too sharp in certain areas(at the end of the lips)
Also the throat area got me a bit confused too, Othervise it's fine
I understand and agree with you(Fallen) that everybody looks different, and i think that people tend to react more about a face (or body)when it's been drawn or painted coz they
expect the proportions to be too common.
Does this make sense??!!

-Micke




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[Fallen]

Perfect sense micke.

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[cecil]

Please post the original picture you used for reference then...

[Tinusch]

I believe I can explain a little bit... When artists create photo-realistic human pics, they usually try to make them look at natural as possible. But sometimes, even photos don't look natural. Sometimes we see a photo in which the shadows or something don't quite look right, but it's a photo, so we know it must just be our eyes tricking us or something. That was probably the case in the pic you traced. In the photo, her head probably just didn't look right. So, in turn, neither did the head in your version. But no one knew it was traced from a photo. If credit was given to the source of the photo, then you probably wouldn't have gotten any criticism for the head shape. If it was an image you made from scratch, then it probably would have been a good idea to make it look more natural, so there isn't any confusion. But if we knew that was a photo, we would have known that the head was just as it was supposed to be.

[Fallen]

I agree, but people shouldn't generalize about features anyway. For instance, not all hairlines look the same so someone can't say "..take a look at pictures of women and check out the hairline, it's a far bit different than you have". And how can you tell someone that a face is too long or too short or too whatever, Obviously everyones face is different, as well as, everyones perception of a face.
Anyway, in the end it is still artwork, not a photo, nor meant to be photorealistic....just a piece of artwork that i had fun doing. I don't understand how you can hack someones vision unless you can see through their eyes.

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[Tittle]

Why are people so hung up on making proportions in artwork so perfect? I know this has been said in this topic already but everyones head has different proportions and all womens hairlines are not the same. It seems everyone wants you to make your art resemble the average professional model in which everyone knows that their beauty and proportions are the exception in reality. People should look back to Da Vinci and see that his sketchbooks were filled with hundreds of drawings of really ugly people. He used to go under the bridges where he lived and find the homeless beggars with grotesquely worn faces and sketch them. I guess what I am saying is that some people should stop using those "perfect" models as referance for their artwork and try using something completely different. And I really love your image Fallen, I have seen others that you have posted and you seem to be developing a unique style to your work. Keep it up.

[This message has been edited by Tittle (edited March 12, 2000).]

[Tinusch]

I agree with Tittle, your work is awesome. I just noticed a problem on your site though... When I click on the Android pic, it opens in both the current window and in a new window. Just thought you'd like to be made aware of that. Great pics, man!

[hennifer]

it's not a matter of making everyone have the same proportions. i'm the first person to agree that everyone looks different - i personally prefer portraits of unusual-looking people to model-types, because i find unusual faces look much more... artistic.

at any rate, you can't dismiss unrealistic proportions by saying "everyone is different". sometimes, a face just looks wrong, and i think this is one of those cases. when i think of it tho, i have seen a woman with a face kind of like this. it was in a magazine, she'd had herself surgically altered to look like a cat. (i'm completely serious here)

you say that people are always giving you these comments about your pictures, but that you 'expected different critisicm'.. that doesn't make sense! sounds like its an area you should work on.

and tinusch is right, if anything, tracing from a picture will only make it look more plastic. an accurate portrait accentuates certain characteristics, while allowing others to fade back.

[ScoobyDoo]

Ill tell you what the problem is RIGHT now.

You traced from a magazine or other picture with your tablet right?

Well, if you look at it, your tablet has a different aspect ratio than your screen, yet you HAVE to run your tablet in WYSIWYG mode, therefore, anything you trace is going to be distorted by the factor of the difference of the aspect ratio. You can compensate for this by determining the ratio of your tablet, then of your screen, then scale your pic to match the screen.



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