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IO_Error
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2000 11:55 pm     Reply with quote
First, I'd just like to say that I'm in constant awe of all your work. I was hoping you could give us all some more insight into your technique... Do you use 2 viewing windows? How do you work on such a large picture, on each part, without losing focus on the whole? I get involved with the details so much in my attempts, that it seems that the image depends on the amount of detail to make it a good one, and not composition, etc... like the last pic I posted.. general critique was "nice detail, texture, shading, form needs work" How do you do it?

Thanks in advance for all the Extremely helpful replies!

IO_Error
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2000 5:20 pm     Reply with quote
come on guys.. I've seen much more illegitimate questions than mine... the "How old is everybody" thread got 39 freakin replies!!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2000 5:51 pm     Reply with quote
I'll reply.
I've just started on the HiRes stuff, and I've been woundering the same thing how do you do it without losing perspective....cause I start on one thing and go off into a daze and go back to the pic and find that I didn't do what I had planned in the first place....

Oh I just ordered Eye Candy and Xenofex...
any one use them, and are they any good?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2000 6:55 pm     Reply with quote
8105, dude I thought it was cool when you first showed it - forget that, man that rocks.

IO_Error, dude sorry to say it but people like to post to the stupid ones because, well, because they get to talk about themselves...everyone likes it - it's life. Also, did you think that those guys that you were talking to may not have gotten on the forums since your post - or just not have noticed in there "fly-by's" Just a thought..

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2000 8:20 pm     Reply with quote
hehe.. Ok, I'll give it a few days.
8105, I like your style, but the whole piece still has a 'cardboard-cutout' appearance to it.. I'm not sure what you should change, thats just how it looks to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 8:48 am     Reply with quote
to: 8105
i got eyecandy and xenofex they are very cool acuatually too cool but only for like do photographs and webgraphics i dont know if they are anygood for the type of art that you artist here do

to:IO_Error
i dont know nada about this digital art stuph i just started and i am already thinking of giving it up damn aahhaha

eNd mEsAgE
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 1:37 pm     Reply with quote
Let me jump in on this,

I'll refrain from explaining the obvious stuff such as plan your image well, do sketches etc. etc.
I don't have a dual monitor setup so I'm using the split screen technique where I've got two windows featuring the same image. Both having diffirent levels of zoom value. As Loki already pointed out, don't feel the need to always be zoomed in at 200-400% or higher, cos you'll definately loose it. Only do that if you want/need to work on pixel level. Don't hesitate to work at lower magnifications. However I do find it adviseable to keep the zoom at whole values. 33.3% and 66.7% (or other fractional values) give nasty representations. The whole time when you're working on your image, make sure you keep an overview. See the image as a whole, rather than seperate detailed parts. First paint in the large rough shapes. Make sure to get those right before you get involved in fine detail. Feel the image take shape. I find myself often hitting the f key to display the image full screen without the menu clutter. I display the image as large as the screen will allow without cropping. Constantly analizing it for Balance. That's probably the most important part. Make sure the image has balance. (unless ofcourse you're aiming for an unbalanced image.. ) Balance in composition, colour, value. Does it feel right.. If not, work on it until it does. Only after that you can concern yourself with detail if time allows..

Hope this helps..

Danny

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2000 7:47 pm     Reply with quote
Danny and Loki: Thanks a bunch for your replies.. they've already proven to be very helpful. That was the problem I was having.. keeping 2 seperate views open slowed my machine to a crawl.. but using the preview in the navigator window helps a bunch when working with extremely large images. I'll be sure to post my first results ASAP. Thanks again!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 29, 2000 12:15 am     Reply with quote
Hey IO!

I didn't reply because I wasn't working yesterday, and that's where I post from.

Anyway - I kinda explain how to deal with hires-images in the 'digital illustration' section of my webpage. There's lots of info in there.
I have a two monitor setup and I use the 'navigator' window as an overview. I keep it quite large, so I get a good proxy of what the image looks like.
It's harder with one monitor. But also, I don't work colpetely zoomed in quite often - I haven't really 'pixelled' in ages.
It's the same as working with a canvas - you spend more time away from it, than getting your nose colored on the wet paint, becuase you're so close to it.
Don't zoom in too much - work in broad strokes first, and then set the necessary details - otherwise you end up working on irrelevant details a whole day, and find after zooming out that your image is 20% finished and the details don't match ...

For some setup-tips check out my page plase - I've put a lot of time in writing it down and it should be really helpful!

Cheers & happy painting!

Loki

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 29, 2000 12:20 am     Reply with quote
Nearly forgot - THANKS for your positive feedback! All your comments really inspire me to do better work and keep me motivated to do my own 'fun' images!
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