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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:23 am     Reply with quote
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22492511-5005375,00.html

it would be interesting to see everyones opinion Smile

personally, i can't get it to rotate other than clock-wise.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:32 am     Reply with quote
Holy crap that is mind boggling.
I can see both. First I thought the animation simply changed however then I realised it's the same. If you concentrate on her feet you always see (at least me) a 180� rotation to right and then 180� to left vice versa. Completely weird. I guess left VS right brain is a draw here Very Happy

edit: looking at it again I think somethings wrong with the animation,...because there's only one way to see it. It changes everytime quite in the middle of the animation from left to right. I can't see left OR right but only left AND right following each other every half rotation,...so this can't be connected with right vs left brain stuff,...which seems to be a vague theory anyway ;D fake?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:35 am     Reply with quote
hehe yeah, it really tricks your mind..

if i concentrate on the feet, i can see it rotate the other way too.. weird
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:38 am     Reply with quote
I opened it and initally it rotated anti-clockwise. I focused and tried to change it but no luck. Then I shifted my eyes to read the text next to it and WTF, it started to rotate the other way. I thought, wow, when I started to read some stuff and think about it, it changed. Was it because I started to use the other side of the brain? I tried to change it back - I started to look through images. And yeah, instantly it changed direction.

That's amazing, or then I'm just really really tired.


EDIT: I tried to focus on her feet but didn't work for me. But changing between reading and images just do it for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:46 am     Reply with quote
I saved the gif and opened it with ImageReady and went through frames. There's 34 frames, in frames up to 17 she turns anti-clockwise. In that frame her legs are on top of eachother and her back is facing us. In frame 18 there is a transition - suddenly she is facing us and in frames 18-34 she's turning clockwise. So in total she turns 180 degrees to both directions (in both cases ending up her back facing us) in that animation.. pretty clever. But it doesn't explain why the hell she changed direction whenever I changed between thinking and imagining Very Happy

Maybe it's all cheat and it has really nothing to do with what I'm thinking.. just about when do I start looking at it.. should try 100 times and see if it still worked..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:24 am     Reply with quote
Counter clockwise at first.

Then I looked at the feet, focusing on changing it and it switched to clockwise.

Then I read the text and it flipped back to counter clockwise while reading.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:00 am     Reply with quote
Yeah... she kept changing for me, too. I'd look away to read and when I looked back she was going the other way. First time I saw her she was going clockwise.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:04 am     Reply with quote
Sitting normally, I can only see it rotating clockwise.

I tried everything to try and see it the other way, and eventually found that if I look at with my head rotated 90 degrees to the screen it instantly pops to anti-clockwise.

As I rotate back to straight it pops back to clockwise at about 45 degrees.

Strange that everyone gets different results with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:12 am     Reply with quote
Reading the text, it looked like the pic is obviously rotating anti-clockwise.

Then looking only at the image, I couldn't see anything else but really obvious clockwise rotation.

Switching back to reading and focusing on the text, it once again looked like going anti-clockwise in the corner of my eye.

I don't think this has much to do with being creative etc. Seems like a visual trick, much like how a gray dot looks black on a white bg, and bright on a black bg.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:15 am     Reply with quote
Its only clockwise for me, impossible to see it any other way.

EDIT; I got it! It took me about 10 min to see it rotating anti-clockwise. Wow it's really strange how "obvious" the rotation seems.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:16 am     Reply with quote
I can only see it rotate clockwise.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:52 am     Reply with quote
Anti-clockwise first and then clockwise. Now it seems to rotate both ways one after the other! the changes occur when looking at text on both sides of the image and not directly at it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:09 am     Reply with quote
Sumaleth has got it.

Look to the right till you cant see the image, focus on a wall. Then slowly turn your head back to the image, look at it through the corner of your eye. Note the rotation.

Then look left, then slowly back, it should be the opposite rotation.

Seems to be based on which eye is actually seeing the image first.

Look right : clockwise
Look left : counter clockwise

Doesnt happen everytime, but most.

The left eye is wired back to the right brain. So seeing it with the left eye means the right brain is processing, rotating clockwise, just like the text indicates.

Actually I've got to the point where I can look in either direction first and force either rotation Smile


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:43 am     Reply with quote
First she turned clockwise, then anti-clockwise, then she kicked me in the nuts. What a blast!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:18 am     Reply with quote
We got this one at work the other day and I sat staring at it for 20 minutes cause I could only see it going clockwise. I even opened it up in imageready and reversed the animation cause I was sure that people were lying to me that it could go anti-clockwise aswell (nedless to say it kept going clockwise). I finally managed to make it go anti-clockwise after about half an hour by concentrating only at the feet and covering the rest of her body with my hands.

Guess I�m pretty right-brain dominated.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:58 am     Reply with quote
It's a fine optical illusion, but don't believe the left-brained/right-brained bullshit that goes with it. A person can be intelligent and creative and live a normal life while having only one intact hemisphere*. The fact of the matter is that, while some functions can be localized in one hemisphere or the other, both sides are capable of doing all the same stuff when pressed.

Calling someone left-brained or right-brained is an over-simplification of a highly dynamic, poorly understood system.


*Removal of half the brain is actually a rare but real treatment for certain kinds of epilepsy. It's called a "radical hemispherectomy".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:04 am     Reply with quote
I see primarily clockwise. Ive only managed to see counter-clockwise twice... and only for a few moments before it reverts back to clockwise.

Balistic: Agreed. It is an over simplifacation.. but a normal healthy brain will divide creative vs logic functions accordinly. Still a cool topic of discussion.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:01 pm     Reply with quote
I can see it both ways, but when the figure is turning counterclockwise, the perspective feels funny, like you were viewing it from a low angle, seeing the bottoms of the feet. Maybe the perspective just seems more natural in the clockwise rotation, and that's why so many people see it that way.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:02 pm     Reply with quote
Clockwise, and I had to really concentrate on her foot/shadow to go the other way, and once I do, it's hard to go back to clockwise. If I look away for a while and come back, it's back to clockwise. Very interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:27 pm     Reply with quote
wow that is a trip, at first it was just clockwise, but focusing at the feet it then suddenly changed, and now it wont change back.

it reminds me alot of hogarths dynamic figure drawing book, there was an exersize where he would draw the silhouette exactly the same but just change the forms so you were either looking up at the figure or down at the figure while the silhoutte didnt change.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:03 pm     Reply with quote
It has nothing to do with any brain functions...it's just two separate animations. Like Ranath said, half of the animation, the 3d model is actually rotating clockwise...the other half vice versa. The trick is to make the reader think that he/she suddenly "got it" when all that's happening is a change in animation...so i don't really see what everyone else is talking about lol.

The only way to really see the whole clockwise/counter clockwise is if you have a profile view of something rotating. For example, I made this drawing and animation based off of a 3d box.





sorry for the poor quality and random flashes..i suck with animation. anyway, you can kinda see that the box is rotating, but you don't know which way, you can assume it's clockwise or counter.

i think.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:17 pm     Reply with quote
What does it mean if I can see it spread it's legs and motion to me suggestively?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:27 pm     Reply with quote
Jimmyjimjim wrote:
What does it mean if I can see it spread it's legs and motion to me suggestively?

It means you clicked on one of the advert links that Ranath sees.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:25 pm     Reply with quote
med wrote:
The trick is to make the reader think that he/she suddenly "got it" when all that's happening is a change in animation...

If that were true, then the animation would be changing from clockwise to counter-clockwise every 180 degrees, but that isn't the case. I think your example is mostly correct, though. But the slight perspective on the woman prevents us from seeing her twist back and forth, as your example seems to be doing. To me, at least.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:23 pm     Reply with quote
I can only see the big red button that says
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Doesn't that mean that I'm thinking more with my balls than brains?
The test doesn't say anything about that kind of thinking. Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:58 am     Reply with quote
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If that were true, then the animation would be changing from clockwise to counter-clockwise every 180 degrees

It does! At least for me,...I can't see it differemtly,...pretty much like the example with the box. This is only possible while focusing on eighter arms or legs. Very hard on her head...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:23 am     Reply with quote
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The trick is to make the reader think that he/she suddenly "got it" when all that's happening is a change in animation...so i don't really see what everyone else is talking about lol.


You don't seriously think it is two different animations... ???
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:42 pm     Reply with quote
eyewoo wrote:
med wrote:
The trick is to make the reader think that he/she suddenly "got it" when all that's happening is a change in animation...so i don't really see what everyone else is talking about lol.


You don't seriously think it is two different animations... ???


I think he means there is 2 sequences in the same animation.. in first one she rotates 180 degrees in counter clockwise and in second one she turns 180 degrees clockwise. Every time her back is directly facing us, a transition happens and suddenly in the next frame she is facing us again and starts to rotate to opposite direction. When it loops, you don't notice the transition at all though and her motion seems seamless. You can check it by saving the .gif and opening it in ImageReady or similar program that shows all frames..
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:34 pm     Reply with quote
I am a failure. lol. I looked at it again, and i reallly did think it was two separate animations...I guess I was fooled by my own thought process. I opened it in ImageReady like Ranath said, and he's right.

Also I noticed, when she's turning clockwise, her right leg is planted vertically. And counter-clockwise, her left leg is vertical and her leg foot is swinging around.

Tricky stuff!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:06 am     Reply with quote
Ranath wrote:
eyewoo wrote:
med wrote:
The trick is to make the reader think that he/she suddenly "got it" when all that's happening is a change in animation...so i don't really see what everyone else is talking about lol.


You don't seriously think it is two different animations... ???


I think he means there is 2 sequences in the same animation.. in first one she rotates 180 degrees in counter clockwise and in second one she turns 180 degrees clockwise. Every time her back is directly facing us, a transition happens and suddenly in the next frame she is facing us again and starts to rotate to opposite direction. When it loops, you don't notice the transition at all though and her motion seems seamless. You can check it by saving the .gif and opening it in ImageReady or similar program that shows all frames..


OK...opened the GIF and it appears to be one long continuous animation... ??? I'm not sure what the point is in trying to be convinced that there is anything but an optical illusion going on with a single, straight forward, 35 frames of animation, animation... one that may be affected in different ways with different people.

It's a silhouette. There is no transition other than what happens in each viewers brain...
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