[Tomasis]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6704029.stm

""The money they are spending on this should be reinvested in urban regeneration, using graffiti as an art form, said Simon Davies, head of Privacy International.""

Well said by him

How long time will it take to switch from the generation to next? Picasso would change that with simple graffiti bottle

[Sumaleth]

The problem with graffiti is that even when space is set aside for legitimate art, you still get the (presumably) intentionally-annoying scribbles and tags everywhere else. You even get it over the top of the legitimate stuff.

So that quote sounds, to me, like saying we should take all the money that goes into testing people for drink-driving, and just set aside some roads where people are allowed to do it.
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[Tzan]

I liked this quote better:

"Surveillance tracking destroys self-esteem..."

Hah!

I know when I got caught on video robbing that bank, it really destroyed my self-esteem. Maybe I should sue the bank?

[Drew]

I can't stand illegal graffiti. People who do that are completely disrespectful of other people's property. Whether or not it's art is entirely irrelevant. When done without permission, it is always vandalism.

Simon Davies totally misses the point. If someone's property is vandalized, they deserve to have the police attempt to catch the criminal who did it. What they do not deserve (and what I would be pissed about if it were happening in my community) is being told that the effort that previously would go into finding the offender, punishing him, and making him pay restitution, will now go towards finding him better places to "express himself".

[Tomasis]

why not build a new longest modern china wall which its thicken is 1 foot The whole wall surface will be only white canvas at beginning

If you consider expressionism and Picasso as art form, so graffiti is no longer far away from the true meaning of art. I have high quality graffiti stuffs at the mind of course.

Some artists are just too poor to get large paint surface like as a fresco thing since most are living in secularization.

[Awetopsy]

A guy I know told me that one day he was on the bus and a kid pulled out a black sharpie and proceeded to tag the bus seat. Since my friend is an artist, he had with pigma markers with him so he pulled one out and proceeded to tag the back of the kids jacket.
The kid spun around screaming "what the hell?!? you owe me a new jacket!!!"
my friend simply said "hey I pay my taxes, you owe me a new bus seat."

[Tzan]

Haha!
Thats great!

[Drew]

[Tomasis]

Drew, really no without agreements with the owners of course. I want to mean that government could encourage more activities for young people. Why not allow paint very dirty old trains and other stuffs if one is open minded. If all are sticking to classic stuffs, it is almost no way that given room could be provided for modern art unfortunately.

[Affected]

Isn't a big part of the whole point of graffiti that it's illegal? If it was allowed, it wouldn't be as exciting.

[Drew]

I don't think you'd end up with very attractive trains if you let random people paint them. Most graffiti is really, really ugly. It wouldn't be cheap, either. You'd have to have people watching people as they painted to make sure they didn't paint over windows or stuff like that, and also to make sure they didn't use gang-related images. It seems like way more trouble that it's worth. I'm going to vote no on this one.

And really, why not just use a smaller canvas to paint on?

[Jimmyjimjim]

I've heard graffiti argued as culture which I can understand. I think stuff like this has artistic merit;


Unfortunately, I think stuff like this basically just dirties whatever it's done on:


If someone wants to slap paint on a wall so bad they should do it on their own.

[Impaler]

I feel terrible for this local graffiti artist/muralist/urban renewalist/whatever. See, he got a $20,000 grant from the NEA to paint this 150-foot long wall that bordered the south side of a community center. It took him something like, 6 or 7 months, and it was a pretty amazing mural. Albuquerque is basically one big brown stucco mess, so something as colorful as that really stood out.

And then the city painted it over with gray primer because they thought it was just more fucking graffiti.

But I have a question for you guys. When does graffiti stop being vandalism and start being mural art? Is it the sheer technical skill? Is it the motivation behind the act? Community acceptance? Scale? What do you think?
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[the_insider]

graffiti cannot be justified..but this is the whole reason it started: a forceful voice against an unjust system...this argument is decades old...people will ALWAYS find a way to do graffiti...no matter how illegal it becomes.
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[Drew]

[Drew]

[the_insider]

graffiti is thousands of years old, yes....the youth underground culture is only about 40 something years old...ok a kid with a marker...then you look at decades and decades of thousands of writers and thousands of productions, walls, trains,...an entire culture ....not something easily understandable from the outside looking in...but like i said it can't be justified

i mean...the berlin wall wasn't just some kid with a marker
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[Drew]

You can't really apply that to all graffiti, though. The well done and/or meaningful graffiti is far outweighed by the dickhead-with-marker kind. We have no way of knowing how it started. I think you're romanticizing it a bit much.

[Tomasis]

[Tomasis]

Drew, have you not seen that many good graffitis at your local town?

[Drew]

[Tomasis]

[Drew]

I don't whine.