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Giant Hamster member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:26 pm |
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A chill out track with bass, brass, rhodes and guitar. It's pretty quiet and laid back throughout but jumps up a bit around 2:00 with some nice chord changes and brass around 2:30. The solo trumpet is from a Herb Alpert song. The other brass and instruments are programmed.
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http://hamsteralliance.com/quicksongs2/Hamst3r%20-%20Time%20Out.mp3 (~5.46mb) |
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balistic member
Member # Joined: 01 Jun 2000 Posts: 2599 Location: Reno, NV, USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:02 pm |
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I predict that Gort will like this one.
I like it too. This is by far my favorite out of all of your tracks. Is the guitar programmed too? What are you using for that? _________________ brian.prince|light.comp.paint |
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Giant Hamster member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:12 pm |
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;D
The guitar is programmed, yeah. It's the "Bluesmaster" soundfont from the Quantum Leap Guitar and Bass library, sequenced with the Jeskola XS-1 sampler. It has about 5 velocity zones for different sounds. Most of the slides are faked.
It's the same guitar as in an older THA track called "Chill Groove" which is similar but more hip hop elevator music sounding: Chill Groove.mp3 |
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balistic member
Member # Joined: 01 Jun 2000 Posts: 2599 Location: Reno, NV, USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:35 pm |
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Dope. Keep on truckin. _________________ brian.prince|light.comp.paint |
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Lunatique member
Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2001 Posts: 3303 Location: Lincoln, California
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:22 pm |
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I like the feel of it, and you're always so good at the production/arrangement end of thing. But it always seem like your melodic development is fragmented--almost in a loop-like manner (talking about the guitar). I don't think I've ever heard you actually develop a full melodic line that travels some sort of a journey--even a short one. You tend to favor fragmented licks strung together--maybe it's a personal taste thing. The repeating brass line could also use more variation. I think repeating works when it's a riff, but as a melodic line, repeating is tricky unless you do it in a clever way.
It's funny, I just went over to your site not too long ago because I was getting withdraw from lack of new hamster tunes. I thought maybe you'd have stuff that you forgot to share with us here. I found your MySpace page too. ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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Giant Hamster member
Member # Joined: 22 Oct 1999 Posts: 1782
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:14 pm |
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Lunatique wrote: |
I don't think I've ever heard you actually develop a full melodic line that travels some sort of a journey--even a short one. |
;D Yeah. I don't do that very often, you're definately right. And yes a lot of it does have to do with personal taste aswell as attention span/confidence/skill. I think I get what you're looking for and have uploaded two tracks that might fit the bill. Albiet they're not the most interesting or polished tracks as they were both done as "silly songs" for two different buzz competitions that had a lot of restrictions on what you could use.
Cyanphase Compo.mp3 - A bit disjointed, but has somewhat of a journey going on with the main lead that comes in. :P
Hymn Compo 6.mp3 - Has a little nintendo sine lead going on around some kraftwerk inspired stuff.
Are these lead lines closer to what you're looking for or are they too freestyle and random? :D |
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Lunatique member
Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2001 Posts: 3303 Location: Lincoln, California
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:31 pm |
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Giant Hamster wrote: |
Are these lead lines closer to what you're looking for or are they too freestyle and random? ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
They're more liking jamming leads, but it's definitely closer to what I'm talking about than your usual stuff. We have the same understanding about this--the fact you wondered if those two tracks are what I'm looking for means you know exactly what is and isn't a melodic line with development.
It would be really interesting to hear you do something as bareboned as just one solo violin, cello, or even a jazz solo instrument. Something without any accompaniment--just a solo. Think a lonely guy leaning against a wall under the street light in a smoky town, or a girl standing at her window looking out with a melancholic expression. Something evocative and emotional. Something that goes a little deeper than super slick ultra produced trendy cool shit. I know your personal taste leans heavily towards the trendy stuff, but I totally believe you have the talent and the potential to one day blossom into an amazing composer--in the very traditional sense of the word. Not that what you do now isn't impressive--it most certainly is--I just think you're capable of even more. I always believed you have maybe a potential Ravel burried deep down inside. Your flair for arrangement--if focussed on serious orchestral works, could be deadly.
I think just about all of us who posts music here at sijun suffer from the handicap of not having had formal training, and it shows in our music (to the lay person, it's not obvious, but to other musicians, it's painfully obvious). I used to think that it's something you can't really overcome without actually getting formal training. But having hung out at Northern Sound Source and VI Control for a while, I witnessed self-taught composers who blew my mind with what they have learned on their own--without ever even learning to read music. Maybe it's talent, but I suspect they did a lot of serious learning about theory, composition, arrangment, harmonic structures, voicing..etc. And those fuckers are still in their early~mid twenties!
Maybe it's because I just don't have the time to develop as a composer (too busy with work and life), so I'm hoping you'd carry out that dream and I could live vicariously through you. ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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Nilwort member
Member # Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Posts: 319
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:22 pm |
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Giant Hamster!
Hymn Compo 6!
2:17...Awesome. |
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Nilwort member
Member # Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Posts: 319
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:54 pm |
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I'd also like to add to some of the stuff Lunatique said. I think formal training tends to give people a better understanding of the fundamental concepts of a particular study and maybe some more discipline, but on its own, that training is completely lifeless. When I mess around with making music or art, I really try to get in touch with the basic feeling of what I want to express and then try to manipulate the tools/media I am using to present that feeling as accurately as possible. With visual art, you have to learn about color, value, composition, ect., and with music, it is about harmony, rhythm, and getting a song or track to progress in a captivating way.
So, yes, formal training is good, but all artists and musicians need something else in addition to this. Something that comes from the sum of all their personal experiences and their passions in life. In my opinion, when this shows through in an artist's or musician's work, the viewer or listener will be helpless to not feel some sort of appreciation for it.
You do need to know your medium and the fundamental concepts behind your art form, but if your passion is strong enough, all that learning will happen automatically as you struggle to express your vision. That is why art and music are so great. You can let your intuition guide you and let your analytical side take a subordinate role learning the basics in the background. You still, of course, need a lot of discipline to work through all of this and the ability to see your work objectively. I don't consider myself a great artist or musician, but when I imagine myself as one, this is the kind of stuff I think about.
This is a really good article about learning how to practice intelligently that sort of ties into this.
Sorry if that sounds preachy. Your stuff sounds good Giant Hamster, keep at it. |
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Max member
Member # Joined: 12 Aug 2002 Posts: 3210 Location: MIND
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:34 am |
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Very unusual compared to your other stuff. - I Love it anyway!!! |
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Ian Jones member
Member # Joined: 01 Oct 2001 Posts: 1114 Location: Brisbane, QLD, Australia.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:24 am |
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Love it, really nice track. |
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