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vindow · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:56 am

im great fan of water color apinting as soon as i will come to know how to post an image on forum i will give you real good art work and will discuss hell lot on water color creation. im dam seariouse about good water color and acadamic traditional realistic art so will ahve graet fun do join if u want to enjoy and learn more about floating in watercolors..........enjoy
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Matthew · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:14 am

hey vinod, I saw your latest mail there. :)

Here�s what the faq contains regarding the img posting.

Can I post Images?
Images can indeed be shown in your posts. However, there is no facility at present for uploading images directly to this board. Therefore you must link to an image stored on a publicly accessible web server, e.g. http://www.some-unknown-place.net/my-picture.gif. You cannot link to pictures stored on your own PC (unless it is a publicly accessible server) nor to images stored behind authentication mechanisms such as Hotmail or Yahoo mailboxes, password-protected sites, etc. To display the image use either the BBCode [img] tag or appropriate HTML (if allowed).

see you and I hope to see more of those pictures you were sending to me. :)
Keep up the good work
Matthew

vindow · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 10:15 pm

mathew thanks for that warm welcome i hope it will grow as time passes..... i got bussy with some of my office work and getting my room shiefted.... so i was bussy on this week end but finally i cudnt shieft my room its been shifted on next weelend ....
last tow years i had some hard studies more of theorotical and less of fine art,,, so now im coming back to my realface soon i will start working on some new and fresh water colors till then all r welcome keep on posting whatevwer u feel like........... vindow
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vindow · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:05 am

hi....... its been long that i visited forum. i was busy with some of my other works sorry for that, hope i will receive warm welcome back with your response lasttime i failed uploading imgs ,,,, once again sorry for that......
here i start with some of my watercolors if u lke it or have any suggetions, u r welcome... dont forget to reply............this much is enogh for now ..... soon will meet with lots of new work.

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vindow · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:25 am

some more work from me to start the thread of water color pls put ur work to discuss more and learn....... i need ur feed back to make this topic best of the all sites in watercolors.....

and she is my best frd.....Vidya

this is on the spot painting from my town which is one of the india's holyplaces.....
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Les Watters · junior member Member # Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 37

your images are broken.

I don�t know where you went to school, but true watercolor is defined like this.

1. It must be transparent. If your paint gets opaque then it is not true watercolor.

2. The action of the water is important. Soft edges, hard edges, lost and found edges.

If you really want to learn how to paint watercolor, go to the source.

John Pike�s book Watercolor.

Charles Hawthorn, Hawthorn on painting.

Tony Couch, Watercolor, you can do it!

Look at great watercolor painters.

Dorthy Short
Eliot O�Hara
Winslow Homer
John Pike
John Sargent
John Wharf
Pheobe Walker
Jan Koonz
Charles Reed
J M W Turner

If you don�t know who these people are then you don�t even have the slightest idea what watercolor is.
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DJorgensen · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:41 am

Those are some exceptional pictures, esp vidya Very Happy

, although the links are broken.
(I just copied the shortcut and pasted it into the navigator bar).

Unfortunately Geocities does not allow the linking of images to other sites, so in order to post images here you will have to find some other means.

I have the same problem with my webhosting as well, and this is the reason that none of my pictures are present on the boards.

The best actual means of getting around this problem however are to purchase webhosting, or perhaps check out this thread from a couple of months ago
http://forums.sijun.com/viewtopic.php?t=35003&highlight=hosting
Hope this helps Very Happy

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vindow · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:47 pm

hi les watters thanks for ur reply......
but i totally disagree with ur first statment transperancy is surly quality of water color, but as per i think in world of art there are no rules and regulation ur aim n attempt is to diliver best product no matter which way u paint it ....... i have seen greate painters painting oil colors just as transperant as water, then would u say that thoes are wrong .....
remember its just medium its u who defines how to blend it...... ofcource maintaining transperancy is best thing to do in watercolors ,,,,and i think its quite prominent in my pictures
anyway ur second statment, im really confused that even having thoes quality how cant u figure it out........
and artists u refered to me im really thankfull for that.... and im greate fan of J S sarjent, homer, russel field...
hope u send me some pics which wud help me to learn ......
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vindow · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:50 pm

DJorgensen,, thank for ur warm reply and advise i will definately do the what u have suggested but its gonna to take some time for me..... but im on the way Razz

keep going i wud love to c more from u
ba bye
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watmough · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:32 pm

you know...even sargent used white in his "watercolours"-even though i was taught this was wrong,but who cares?whatever works,right?and vindow,those are great.

Les Watters · junior member Member # Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 37

Hey I just gave you the be all end all list 0f the worlds greatest watercolor painters. I made comments based on what they believe watercolor should be. and you come back with this!

"anyway ur second statment, im really confused that even having thoes quality how cant u figure it out........ "

The second statement means... Go and find out what the greatest watercolorists in the world have said about watercolor, then you can have an opinion.
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Ragnarok · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:04 pm

Les Waters, following your logic of thought you should read about something before having an opinion, but sometimes it's experience and not reading what makes an opinion valid.
Also, you couldn't speak of many topics because you haven't read about it from the best.
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spooge demon · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:05 pm

sargent and turner must be removed from that list, they were not a true watercolorists, as he used gouache sometimes. We don't want to confuse anyone.

YVerloc · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:30 pm

Vindow

Your watercolor paintings are lovely.

I have a couple of questions:

1) Are they all done "from life" or do you use photographic reference? You mention that the landscape of the holy place in your town was painted on the spot", so I was wondering about the others.

2) What size are the images?

Beautiful work Vindow.
cheers
YV

watmough · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:18 pm

what about andy wyeth?
oh yeah..he used white too,damn...

vindow · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:51 pm

YVerloc
your question is quite obvious,
the portaite and landscape is on the spot and the life is from photograph.
actully manytimes i was confused about use of photographic references but i came across some artists (like adrow loomis) who says, its good to use them.
second is that in many paintings of some great artists i swa some poses which are almost impossible to get from, making model stand in that position, no model will be able to give such poses for so long that artist can finish the painting. In sargents painting called 'gaseed' (1918) photographic references are used and those avilable, but still im confused how do they achive results which r almost like on-the-spot painting. From many people i was told not to use photographs but from my personal study i came to conclusion that it is not wrong. Idea

Infact i searched alot to figure out the such painting methods but still i havent got the 100% answer, but i think we can keep it up fpr discusion soon we will come up with exact way. Exclamation

answering the second question portait and life painting are og same size, 14inches by 22inches. and landscape is very small compaired to them, around 10 by 8 inches.
AND im very happy to c good queries , im sure it will surely benefit us.
Every thing above is just my opinion, not the statments u r welcome with cross questions

KEEP IT UP.....vindow
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balistic · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:08 pm

vindow · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:14 pm

watmough
r u talking about Andrew Wyeth, then i would say his painings r realy good and now main question is use of white i dont find white in his all paintings i think he has used white mainly for highlights not fully gouch, using white as special treatment or style is not wrong and it doesnt say ur not watercolor artist.
agin in reference to spooge demon's statment i think turner and sargent are worldwide appriciated as best watercolor artist removing them from list will washout the watercolors from history.
and again if someone using white or gouch in some paintings doesnt says he is not water color artists (infact artist has freedom to use all medium so i think its better to c gouch as gouch and watercolor as watercolor, dont mix them togather)
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watmough · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:26 pm

yeah,vindow,i am talking about andrew wyeth,i live in maine(rockland,specifically)and i have the luxury to have grown up around the wyeths and iwas,incidentally,just looking at a bunch of andrew wyeth's watercolours last weekend and i had never noticed how much white he used.you know i could see how that might not reproduce well,but in person you can see it clearly,its obvious he used a certain amount of gouache.his work is very loose,so when you view the work in person,it makes a lot of sense.

vindow · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:43 pm

Balistic,
sorry but i didnt get what u want to say wud u explain it little more........ Question

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vindow · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:56 pm

watmough
your suggetion to c work in person is realy makes sense, but i dont know how long it will take me to visit rockland......(hahahaha). one thing u can do is, u can send me titles of thoes painting and i will have dip look at thoes paintings on net and wud try to find out what is his treatment with white and watercolor...
4 months back i have just been to london and paris to visit great masters. i swa many imressinists, expessinists and masters but i dint get to c much of watercolor....exept turner.....and few of john constable...
my thesis for last year was study on history of watercolors how they emerged and devloped through the time and artists,,, next time i will get some more references from that there i have also covered gouach hope it will make some more sense....
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balistic · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:50 am

YVerloc · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:12 am

Thanks for sharing some insight Vindow.
cheers
YV

vindow · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:19 am

spooge demonsargent and turner must be removed from that list, they were not a true watercolorists, as he used gouache sometimes. We don't want to confuse anyone.
this is what u say about water color but then i went trough ur site u have realy good hand on watercolor i apriciate that but c in one of ur watercolor u have extemely used pastels. http://www.goodbrush.com/mainpage/index2.htm
then what u say is it watercolor or not (still i think it is watercolor but, what abt ur satment)
i think in this watercolor u have used white for highlighthttp://www.goodbrush.com/mainpage/index2.htm
NOW,i wud like to hear ur reply
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Socar MYLES · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:01 am

Dude...I'm pretty sure spooge demon was kidding around--being sarcastic, sort of thing.
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jr · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:10 am

socar is right, socar is always right, i love you socar... now dance!
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Tinusch · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:04 pm

Who cares what the most popular way of using watercolor is? Just because it isn't used in the traditional sense, it isn't watercolor? His pictures look incredible, what's the fuss about? If he wants to use opaque layers, if Spooge wants to use pastels, if Sargent wants to use gouache, good, let them experiment and take full advantage of available media.

atomicmonkey · member Member # Joined: 21 Nov 2001 Posts: 83

Those are some really nice paintings... I really should bust out the watercolours again sometime.

And Les... sorry dude, but I think you may want to get your face outta the books for a while... too many rules and theories my friend. His paintings are very good, whether they are what you call 'true watercolor' or not - it really makes no difference.

Drew · Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:55 pm

Hmm, I missed all this stuff about rules. I'm interested in painting digitally, as well as using graphite, colored pencils, and markers. Could someone please post the list of art rules for each of these so that I make sure what I do is actually art? Also, is there a certain way I must hold the instrument, or a certain time of day when these must be done? Is there a certain mindset that I must have? How much red is "too much", therefore not making my work art? How much more bullshit about the "rules" or art will we be forced to listen to?

spooge demon · Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:56 am

vindow, I was poking fun at Les Waters by making a dumb statement based on his definition of watercolors.

But to confuse things more, I am not a watercolorist! I am not even an artist! I might be an illustrator, I am not sure. I think I will mail the folks at art renewal to find out. Spawn of the bacteria that lives in Satan�s colon, that�s me. I am a little troll that hates all things majestic, good and true and heroic and beautiful. My jealously of Great Artists knows no bounds, and if I can�t paint like them (I secretly try) I will try to burn them down! I will rewrite history to make all my Bolshevik buddies into Icons and use big words to cower and uneducated public in embarrassed submission! I will rule the world!! Hahahhaaa!!!

Oh, sorry. Where was I?

Hey, why isn't Thomas Kincade on ARC? It is the same 19th century schmaltz that they want to spray all over the place. Perhaps a constitutional amendment to define art once and for all. They could send deviants off for the clockwork orange treatment.

And Les, I would not be so sure that the folks you name up there would agree with your definition. Not good to put words in peoples mouth to bolster your own opinion. If you want to change the word �true� with �traditional� I am with you. And, just for me, don�t use the word �great� or �greatest� anymore. They don�t really mean anything, since everybody has a different idea about what is great. To use them implies that there is universality in the definition of what is great, and this is far from the case.

(I was kidding in the second paragraph. I don�t secretly try to paint like them)