Sijun Forums Forum Index
Log in to check your private messages
My Profile Search Who's Online Member List FAQ Register Login Sijun Forums Forum Index

Post new topic   Reply to topic
   Sijun Forums Forum Index >> Digital Art Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author   Topic : "Shading techniques"
Edge
junior member


Member #
Joined: 31 Oct 1999
Posts: 39

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:47 am     Reply with quote
Has anyone seen Dhabih's tutorial on digital painting? I tried his dodge and burn technique and I get spots showing up even though my exposure is low like 5-10%. Just in general how do you get that smooth transtion or gradient from dark to midtones or midtones to bright white. You can see it in his work and I know he uses dodge and burn but it just gets splotchy for me. I also tried applying color with a round soft brush in photoshop and then smudging. Problem is the color I apply looks marker like and the smudge doesnt fully blend it. Any suggestions or tips? Thanks all.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mikko K
member


Member #
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Posts: 639

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:59 am     Reply with quote
Uh, sounds like you are doing things in that damned way I did some five years ago. Don't rely on additive/multiplicative color like dodge and burn, because they will just complicate things so much.

I strongly suggest you try to hand pick colors, and mostly use normal type layers. I always used to make the problem about "what tools to use" instead of focusing on the picture, and it sounds like you're dealing with the same problem. Focus on what you want to do, not how to do it. Yeah, it takes time to learn your own digital style of working, but it's worth the practise.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Edge
junior member


Member #
Joined: 31 Oct 1999
Posts: 39

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:26 am     Reply with quote
Hmm, I guess you are right. So would you say that most of the work we see on this board and others like conceptart.org dont use manipulative tools like dodge and burn? Does dhabih even use it in recent work? What about opacity, I see alot of artists messing with the levels on that. Is there any rule or technique to that?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bjotto
member


Member #
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 97
Location: stockholm, sweden

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:38 am     Reply with quote
opacity is just a way of blending colours, nothing wrong there. Dodge and burn can be used, but you won't learn much from it. I think it�s good to learn how to paint with just the basic stuff, eyecandy can allways be added later.t
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Impaler
member


Member #
Joined: 02 Dec 1999
Posts: 1560
Location: Albuquerque.NewMexico.USA

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:17 pm     Reply with quote
Dodge and burn is so 1997. You want multiply and screen.

Dhabih said long ago that he's stopped using dodge and burn, and instead switched to a more painterly approach mentioned by Mikko and epitomized by Craig Mullins. You would do well to attempt the same thing.

But enough soapboxes for me. There is no shortcut to learning how to paint digitally. I could tell you to use a 35% opacity paintbrush set to multiply to paint earth tones, but unless you have a solid familiarity with how the brushes work under your own hands, you're just going to end up with a bunch of featherbrushed ugliness.

So, learn Photoshop from your own experimentation. Make it your bitch. It takes time, effort and frustration, but it's worth it.
_________________
QED, sort of.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
Mon
member


Member #
Joined: 05 Sep 2002
Posts: 593
Location: Uppsala, Sweden

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:33 pm     Reply with quote
Impaler wrote:
Make it your bitch.


Amen to that.
_________________
www.mattiassnygg.com
Blog!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Mikko K
member


Member #
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Posts: 639

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:11 am     Reply with quote
Quote:
So would you say that most of the work we see on this board and others like conceptart.org dont use manipulative tools like dodge and burn?


I obviously don't know how people ultimately do their stuff, but that is not the point. I think that the majority of "good stuff" (stupid term) comes from people who know the program and use lots of different tools but whose ideas do not depend on those tools.

It's very much ok to use dodge/burn but if that's your only approach, you're in trouble imo. Traditional painting skill is probably the best thing digital artist can have, and I'm only begininning to realise that as my background is in pixeled old school graphics. I feel I was too long in that position where I was struggling with those multiply layers, and my works become better just by letting go of that difficult method.

edit: This is just my personal experience and others may have totally different approaches. Experiment and do not limit yourself to think "no dodge anymore" 'cause it may come handy in some situation.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
eyewoo
member


Member #
Joined: 23 Jun 2001
Posts: 2662
Location: Carbondale, CO

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:34 am     Reply with quote
A computer is not a traditional painting tool. There has never been anything like it in the history of art. It is a new medium. Being painterly is a good goal, but when using the digital medium, that doesn't necessarily mean working in a traditional painterly way. For gradients, check out how to use the selection tool and layers.



1) The object, on its own layer...
2) make a selection with the seletion tool.
3) Use Ctrl-J to bump the selected area onto its own layer and darken it.
4) Use the erase brush at a very low opacity to erase part of the darkened layer.

This method works particularly well on a textured object.

When using a textured erase brush, a nice texture can also be added to the darkened layer as it is erased.

For highlights, do the same thing, but lighten the new layer rather than darken it.
_________________
HonePie.com
tumblr blog
digtal art
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
jfrancis
member


Member #
Joined: 08 Aug 2003
Posts: 443
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:46 am     Reply with quote
This relates a bit to the discussion on layers
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
PhatTexta
member


Member #
Joined: 16 Oct 2001
Posts: 140
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:15 pm     Reply with quote
Mon wrote:
Impaler wrote:
Make it your bitch.


Amen to that.


Amen to that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Drew
member


Member #
Joined: 14 Jan 2002
Posts: 495
Location: Atlanta, GA, US

PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 10:31 am     Reply with quote
Edge wrote:
it just gets splotchy for me.


Is it getting splotchy because you're using small brushes and scribbling all over, trying to get the right look? You might want to try using as large a brush as possible, and going over an area with as few strokes as possible.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Edge
junior member


Member #
Joined: 31 Oct 1999
Posts: 39

PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 5:32 pm     Reply with quote
Thanks for the info everyone. I am going to try some of the tips here, mainly layers and avoid forcing the use of dodge and burn as a primary shading tool. Eyewoo, I'm wondering if you can do your technique in reverse by painting at a low opacity a broad darker tone then gradually using a smaller brush paint a darker stroke where the light doesnt hit? And Drew yeah I been using a smaller brush I am trying a larger brush on a very very light opacity and it does help. Seriously though thanks for the info, Being kind of new to this I thought what Dhabih had in his tutorial was a very common way of painting. Im looking at digital painting from a different persepective now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Warhead82
member


Member #
Joined: 24 Mar 2004
Posts: 210
Location: Canada B.C

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:20 pm     Reply with quote
Stay away from burn and dodge!!
_________________
When you look at a blank canvas or drawing paper, it stares you in the eyes and thinks it can beat you.~ Justin Beckett
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Sijun Forums Forum Index -> Digital Art Discussion All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2005 phpBB Group