[Andos]

Hi,

It's time for me to finally make a posting after lurking for a while. (gulp!) This is actually a picture of a woman I did a while back but never really pleased with. Today I made some changes and worked on the hair (still not real pleased with that...) and did a new background.

I hope you like it -- I call it "Snow Queen". (And I hope this link works!)

Cheers,

Andos

[Leo]

Sorry man, but you need more work on it to correct an anathomy, define shapes better, play with light'n'shadows etc.
On your webpage i've found some better samples you've done.
/Leo

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[Andos]

Yeah,

Your right. Not real good....

Ok....

thanks anyway.

Bye.

[Jessica Tobine]

Leo that was messed up for you to say that. This is his first post and already you gotta be a jerk to him. I think she's beautiful! Everybody has different styles. If everybody's work were the same style, life would be so fucking boring. I really like this picture, so there.

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[Andos]

Thanks, sweet Jessica for your kind words...
but I was wrong to be petulant. Leo's judgement was right. He seems to know what I can do and is right to judge that I should be able to do better.

He is honest, and correct.

I think this forum is hugely blessed to have people of his calibre here. I look forward to being more involved.

Thanks again.

Andos

[armature]

I'm gonna give you props for that image man.

Why? Because at least you're trying. There are a lot of people out there that never take a shot at doing digital work or drawing in general and they have a lot of talent that is being wasted.

You need practice. Hell, we ALL do. No matter how good someone is, a few more days and they will be better. Its a lesson in life my friend....every day you learn something new, and see something you didn't see the day before.

Your art reminds me, and I'm sure it reminds many others, of stuff that we used to do before we practiced and practiced, day after day and found a style and method that best fit us.

You look like you are close to hitting your style, and after studying a few books perhaps, or just taking a look at life in a little more detail you will realize all the amazingly small things that makes a picture more realistic.

Best luck, you've got a bright start.


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[Jessica Tobine]

right on brotha armature!

[B]

for those who don't notice the anatomy problem,. or at least the one i see,. if this were an actual person standing next to you, her breasts would be sagging about a foot or so down,.

other than that i like the image,.

[Affected]

I think you should keep the hand in the pocket, it would look a bit dull if both her hands just hung loose. To fix the arm, though, you need to remember that when someone has their hand in their pocket, the elbow actually moves back. Well, a picture tells more than a thousand words, so I whipped up a sketch. (I need to practice my drawing anyhow...)


But hey, though overused, the saying 'practice makes perfect' is true. Just keep at it, and I'm sure you'll notice drawing and painting getting a lot easier.

Oh, I forgot to say, I like the hair. It flows nicely, and looks 'alive', so to speak.
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[Shrimpish]

Hey, dude, this is the wrong place to ask for feedback. All "we" can do is throw shit in your face.

There's like... 2 good artists on this board (I can name them, but I'd rather not) but somehow, it seems like everybody and their moms seem to be able to give "proffesional feedback."

Anyway, I think you're a better artist than 89.78% of the ppl on this board. Keep it up.

[Jeezus]

shrimpish, you know what? even a 5 yearold who couldnt sketch worth his life could point out faults in a picture. i mean, just because we cant all dish out frazetta styled masterpeices, it doesnt mean we dont know what looks right.

[Guybrush]

hmmm... marius.. it seems like with every post u make u try to upset anyone or something...
ah... might just seem to me..
gt

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[Affected]

I don't know what you call good, Shrimpish, but I can name several people who ave shown excellent work. There's Dhabih (Obviously, though he's been scarce recently) and Mullins (Haven't seen him around much recently, either) plus Funfetus and Mongoose (Despite that little...incident), and those are just the ones that came to mind right now...

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[imdaking]

hey marius... your art work ain' as stupendous as you think it is....
I dunno why in the hell everyone thought that carmack garbage was so great....
1. Screenshot background... whats this all about?
2. Some parts look really good... some parts look crappy... and others look cartoonish... I can see that you work in multiple layers on different sections... who in the hell has that many friggin muscles? and wtf gun is that ? never seen that one in quake... sure it is rather good .. but after a few minute of looking at it you can point out the flaws. and whats with the little black circles down in the bottom right hand corner?? oh well

don't be such an ass

[Shrimpish]

Hey, I'm not trying to upset anyone, it just seems that everyone just stepped into a bad critique rythm that they should snap out of.

And yes, Affected, you don't see Mullins or Caudle going around saying that ppl's art is bad. They know where they started, and I'm sure they didn't get any awful comments on their beginner art. That's what stalls eventually good artists from trying.

So I say: Take the 2x4 out of your own eye before trying to take the splinter out of someone else's.

I mean, that'd be like me stepping up to Craig Mullins and telling him that the shading ain't all that good on his Oni art, and it could use some more refining. Ergh...

[Shrimpish]

Imdaking... like I was saying...

Take the 2x4.......

It ain't worth it

[Binke]

Uhm actually Shrimpish.. i didnt see anyone saying that, the image "sucked" or something like that.
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quote: Leo: Sorry man, but you need more work on it to correct an anathomy, define shapes better, play with light'n'shadows etc
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I kinda call that advice/feedback...don't you? and it was followed by several feedback replies.

[Lemur-X]

I really don't know what to think about this shit anymore. Saying that there's 'only 2 good artists on the board' is pretty much a fucking kick in the teeth to the majority of people here.

What defines art? The ability to realistically render a tree down to the individual leaves? Contort a subject into a totally alien/abstract, yet familiar/recognizable form? dynamic shading and posturing in scenes?

All of the above. And infinitely more.

I'm going out on a limb here, but after visiting nearly everyone that frequents this boards' homepages, and reading their bios, that not everyone here has had access to a digital medium for an extended period of time. Therefore, the majority of works posted are A: works in progress. or B: A learning experience (as everything should be)

So please refrain from inadvertantly bashing the majority of the readers here. Myself and others come for insight, and some helpful words. Usually not to get shot down and spat upon (unless they get off on that.)

Refrain simply because not everyone can post acrylic paintings, scripts, murals, scupltures, etc. And I know myself and others here have excelled in many of those and many other subjects. Jese, I know I wouldn't want to be noted *just* for the stuff I have scanned and posted.

Once again, most bylines of the pics posted here are first time attempts, works in progress, not the artist' real forte, etc. So, y'all, don't be so damn harsh. Maybe that's why the majority of frequent posters are the few that originally started posting on this board, because I know that as of late, new people are getting shot down, shit on, and scared off.

And this is not pertaining to any one person in particular. Just to those that have recently made it a habit to slip snide comments into a post they *could* have used for constructive ideals.

And I, for one, have seen some abso-fucking-lutely great art here. It's all about different strokes for different folks.

My 2 cents. And yes I was ranting.

--Lemur-X

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[Leo]

Jess, do you saw WHAT people said about my really first post ('Drawing with a mouse sucks')? I've 'played' about 20 hours with it, and i'm happy that they are pointed on my flaws. It's MUCH better than just a words like 'Oh... Agh... Oi... WoW! it's so cool ... bla bla bla', trust me.
So Andos, don't give up! As armature said, we all need practice.
Next, this IS the RIGHT place to ask for feedback. Both good and bad.
/Leo

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[imdaking]

No no no no... Don't say dat... I don't reall kno what he (leo) means by anatomy... because there is no real anatomy on clothes.... there just well ... isn't unless it is like skin tight... the only things I can see are that...

One breast is lower than the other, and they hang to the side a lil' bit
It is a bit blurry...
I think the hand should not be in the pocket, it makes it look rather awkard, and in some places where you have the clothes going over and hanging down you have some screwups such as (looking at it) the left side of the hood and the hair... and then also where the white part of her cloak hangs over her arm.

Keep on truckin tho, it could turn out to be really good! =)



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[Affected]

Marios, did you throw a modified biblical quote at me for trying to help someone? Sigh.
Besides, I don't think it matters if it's Mullins or someone I've never heard of that makes a pic, if there's something I think is wrong about it, and the pic is up for critique, I will damn well say it. Critique is something you have to learn to take if you're going to keep doing this stuff. You're right about one thing, though, perhaps mullins didn't receive that much 'bad' critique in his early days, but that's probably because those were indeed early days: he started out very young.


And Andos, I'm sorry about all this, as it has nothing to do with you...


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[Andos]

Wow, I had no idea my post would start such a thread!

I genuinely thank everyone for their comments. They were all very helpful and helped me aim my sights higher as far as quality is concerned.

Here is another pic I did a while back with a MOUSE, before I got my Wacom. Needs to improve on the finer detail, which I wish Dhab would do more of a tutorial on.



Cheers,

Andos