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_zaphod_ junior member
Member # Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:41 am |
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I've always just taken whatever color looked good and threw them together in Painter 8. Well after realizing that my art sucks. I thought I should do more investigation on whats wrong. I've read pretty much everything on concept art about color theory and color wheels, but i still misunderstand a little. (haha.. actually a lot. ill be very greatful if you actually can read through my questiosn without falling asleep)
1. Just to make sure, is this correct?.. value is the amount of white or black added to the same color. Hue is just any color that looks different, and intensity/saturation is how rich it is (with value remaining the same).
2. When you go from high chroma to low.. saturation is changing but value is staying the same, correct?
3. I dont fully understand what the gray circle next to the color wheel represents. I know that the grays on that wheel match with the colors on the color one, but i dont know how this would be useful or what purpose it serves.
4. what "Rules" are there? when i first read it was my understanding that you either use high chroma and no dark colors, or low chroma (low saturation, right?) and you use only greys. but then i saw a tutorial that said use black with high saturated red (it wasnt a highlight either). I guess bascially i dont understand how you find which colors you use with the chroma level you decide on. say i chose the middle chroma level for earthly tones.. does that mean i can use colors only in that saturation level but just different hues? what about blacks and whites? this is my most posing question, so if you can answer any of them i would appreciate this one
5. In this image, taken from a tutorial at Conceptart.org
http://www.rev-art.com/lemenimages/color5.jpg
he says try to take it down to 3 or 4 values. I see that he assigns numbers to alike colors in that picture of the still life. but i have 2 questions.
First, when he says keep it at 3 or 4 values, does that mean he keeps the values the same and changes only the saturation to get the other colors that have the same number (for example, would he change only the saturation to get the apple, cloth and the wall).
Second, if this is true, then how come if i go into painter and leave the value the same, and move only saturation or hue, i cant get the other colors of the yellow apple, wall or napkin. I have to change the value too (if i am correct that value is adding black or white). it seems he would have had to use more than 3 or 4 values.
Im just utterly confused i feel like such a retard.
I would greatly appreciate it if you could help me, i really want to keep going on my art but this is a barrier at this point and i dont have anyone in real life to explain it to me.
sorry for all the stupid questions, i know there are a lot |
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Mikko K member
Member # Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Posts: 639
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:58 pm |
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Not sure if I can be of any help to you but I'll try.
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Just to make sure, is this correct?.. value is the amount of white or black added to the same color. Hue is just any color that looks different, and intensity/saturation is how rich it is (with value remaining the same). |
Yes, that's it. You should also understand that value is color, for example, yellow is always kinda high in value and if you add black, it becomes moss green or something. If you add white to red it becomes pink, so think in terms of values, not hues.
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When you go from high chroma to low.. saturation is changing but value is staying the same, correct? |
To my understanding, yes. High KEY is another thing and I always get confused with these two. High/low key in a image is basically the brightness of it, so in a high key painting there's no black or something like that.
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I dont fully understand what the gray circle next to the color wheel represents. I know that the grays on that wheel match with the colors on the color one, but i dont know how this would be useful or what purpose it serves. |
Well, take any color photo and convert it to grayscale. Hue and saturation is removed, but the value stays. The grays in the wheel represent these corresponding values. You may have a red rose and when it's desaturated you get some shade of gray, which is the value of that red you just had. It's quite simple, and it's the reason why you can make great pictures just in grayscale or any other scale, monochromatic blue for example (same hue throughout, only value and saturation changes in the image).
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how come if i go into painter and leave the value the same, and move only saturation or hue, i cant get the other colors of the yellow apple, wall or napkin. |
Because mr. Lemen is talking about the BIG value changes. These relationships create the image, but there's still smaller value changes in these areas. So for example the apple is darker in value than the napkin, but some parts of the apple are still brighter/darker than others. Those big abstract value shapes are very important. When you get them right, you can play with the smaller value changes inside the objects of your painting. The most important thing is to think in abstract shapes and forms, so you can paint what you see. For example, water is not always blue, apples aren't really red. Once you understand this you can pick the right colors when you first consider value, then saturation and hue differences. Remember that the latter two are almost meaningless compared to the importance of correct value.
Hope this helps.
I'm only at the learning stage so I'm kinda reminding myself by writing these down, if you notice false info please correct me. |
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