[Kitamard]

http://www.space.com/news/spacehistory/avro_arrow_001006.html

more pictures

http://images.google.ca/images?q=avro+arrow&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=40&sa=N

It was scrapped by our old PRime Minister because the americans talk him into it. Anyway, the americans hired all of our guys including the designs for the moon lander. Research it! Our technology was way ahead of the game but again DAMN PRIME MINISTER. IF you notice all the 'American' fighters are designs off of the Arrow. But why? because they hired the Canadians who designed it. Why did the Canadians go with the Americans? Because the PRime Minister Scraped the arrow and the americans offered more cash.

Anyway... im doing a digital painting of this Arrow in HOnor of the ppl who worked on it... SInce alot of them killed themselfs over it and just got depressed.

Haha, the Canadians got pissed off at the Canadian Prime Minister and flew the ARROW over his house and shook it REAL GOOD. Rent the movie called The Arrow its as accurate as they tried to make it. Really good.


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[Centurion]

Ok, now here's what pisses me off about this entire thing; Canada screwed its self because of a fear of success. Constantly we do the stupid thing and hold on to old ideals that just constantly cost us cash, or we take some economic loophole that fails to reflect the reality of our economy, or causes part of it to crumble. Want an instnace? The lumber industry is subsidized, we won't let go of it because we have some sort of attachment to it, when actualy canada loses cash on the whole thing! Hell farmers don't receive as much subsidy as the lumber industry, yet somehow we hold on to it. By dumping off the lumber industry or handling our international trade better, canada would actualy do something right. The same thing happened with the quebec refferendum- we spend tones of cash on it, yet nobody realises that quebec cannot be self-sufficient in the long term, it would inconvenience the rest of canada, and in the end they don't sepperate anyhow. In short Canadian politicians remind me of stroke patients who sit there drooling and mumbling some inaudible crap while trying to act like they know what they're doing. Canceling the avro arrow took away a huge success for the country, and giving it to the US just showed how spineless we've become. Where are the days when we used to be able to burn down the white house when the SOB's to the south declared war on us? I miss that.

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accidently submited twice, edited so the seccond post (this one) wouldn't take up so much pointless room.

[DJorgensen]

Yay!! The Avro Arrow...

It was 50 years ahead of its time, or so they say.

We got to watch the movie years ago in grade school, and actually it was probably the coolest 'educational' movie that we really ever got to watch.

If you ever come to Edmonton (or actually Wetaskiwin, of just south of Edmonton), there used to be a replica full scale model of it in the Reynolds Aviation Museum. No pictures of it though, but it was really sweet.

Anyways, the whole Prime Minister thing is kinda to be expected I guess. It is Canada after all, and politics has not changed. They are still all out to screw us over today, eh?

Great idea for a pic, I'd love to see it when your done!
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[Drunken Monkey]

thats pretty spineless.
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[Giant Hamster]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah.


Canada.


hahahahahahahahahahah.

[Pat]

Many of Avro's designs were bought and paid for by American cash. I'm reasonably certain that's why both prototypes of the Avro "Avrocar", John Frost's innovative flying saucer, are in American museums. Lots of ground-breaking research and ideas, but Canada just didn't have the funds to continue on her own.

-Pat

[Kitamard]

Canada had more than enough cash to continue on its own. Mr. Baker was just a farmer (our old Prime Minister) and he knew shit from shit all! The engine Canada developed for the Arrow was going to be sold to many countries in the world that already put money into it. Its just sad.

Americans wouldnt be where they are today with their massive airforce (which I give much credit to) without Canadian designs. Canadas governemnt is just stupid... we need someone who has balls and puts money where it belongs! We almost need an American Government?
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[Spooky]

A fascinating story. From what I saw, the Dan Akroyd CBC Mini-Series is insightful as well. Though it could have turned a corner for Canada in the economy, aviation and military status, and created several more jobs down the line, our politicians decided it wasn't worth it and they now are related with such an event. Their own doing.

It also possibly would have thrust a great military image on Canada, one of which many of us wouldn't want. No offense, I have relatives in the US Military, and friends as well, but Canada's role is more of a peacekeeper or mediator rather than forceful nation.

The Avro Arrow would certainly have paved a path in future Non-Military Aviation projects for Canada, but you can bet, our leaders would have pushed the Military aspect to it's full capabilities.

The conspiracy theory is intriguing as well. When the US companies came in, it would make sense for them to ask for all plans and prototypes to be destroyed. Corporate, Industrial, and Military Espionage is a huge area and the producers of future aircraft would not want the Avro plans getting out. But they'd also probably not want others to see where their ideas or designs may have been 'borrowed' from. Money seemed to control the board as usual.
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[Pat]

No offense, but displaced Avro engineers had little impact on the direction of American flight. If anything, most of the promising aeronautic developments in the 50's were derived solely from stolen German research obtained at the end of WWII. In short, while the Arrow was a technologically superior plane, it wouldn't have been for long.

The CBC mini-series perpetuates popular but largely incorrect beliefs about the Arrow. Please refer to this article for more details. Rather than face the facts that the project was too expensive and possibly failed due to internal bickering Canadian paranoia manufactures the myth to soothe its dignity. That's all fine and good except it comes at the expense of the Americans. Somehow we're always portrayed as bitter, greedy and over-bearing, squashing the precious light that is Canada. Personally I find that offensive. The Arrow was an amazing plane and rightly deserves its place in avation history; it's something Canadians should take a lot of pride in. However, the responsibility for its failure lies solely in Canadian hands. The distastful little lie that's bubbled up around this issue is something that Canadians shouldn't be proud of. Worse, since the myth has replaced the reality of what happened for many Canadians, you'll never learn from these mistakes and will be powerless to prevent it from happening again.

-Pat

[Spooky]

Pat: Right you are on many counts. Certainly, the German aviation area was well ahead of others and Canadian bickering was a major downfall in the program. But as always, those with the biggest budget wins, and Canada just didn't have the money to compete.
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