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Light
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bearsclover
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:24 pm |
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MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Oh, but I remember. I must write something nice if I am to be "allowed" to post in this thread.
So--oh, uh yeah.
You are wonderful. Fantabulous.
Yeah. That's right. Uh huh....
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Wren
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 6:08 pm |
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Since your previous post "deprecated" (i think there's supposed to be an "i" in there somewhere  ) i will address your reply in this thread and hope that things go more smoothly this time.
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| Well, you can certainly find my past paintings if you search around for them. Virtually all of them were made before I learned the techniques though. |
The thing is, if you are going to be giving text lectures on a specific techinique used in art, it really should be your responsibility to provide samples of your work rather than expect your students to hunt it down on their own.
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| I understand that people might want to see some of my new work so they could be inspired. However, I don't think that is a requirement for understanding the value of my ideas. |
It may not be a requirment, but if you really want people to appreciate the value of your ideas, then it would behoove you to provide examples of how the techinique has improved your own art.
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| Also, I don't think it is very useful. Everyone learns at different rates depending on our previous bad habbits, the amount we practice, how we work, etc. As I explained previously, if Joe reads my technique, and becomes a master overnight (which is possible) then it doesn't mean that Jane will do the same. If Jane thinks Joe is not good, and he uses my techniques then it doesn't mean that Jane can't do good works. |
I honestly don't see what individual learning paces has to do with whether or not you show your work as part of your essay. Such examples are not there to imply that everyone will achieve the exact same results that you have, but rather they are the proof that you are practicing what you preach and that others can attain similar results if they apply themselves. Every good teacher knows this.
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| The day that I write a book then I'll be more likely to make a strong case of my methods. But, these are free so basically I figure people can take it or leave it. |
But if you want people to take it rather than leave it, then i think it would be worth your while to make the text less tedious and provide some visual aid to generate more interest in what you have to say.
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| If you want a validation of the worth of visualization then feel free to look at Boris, Brom, and Frazetta's works. |
And if any one of those artists were the one writing the essay, you better believe i'd be paying attention. Why? Because i can see for myself how good their work is without having to search for it
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| You will notice that Boris probably isn't of the same caliber visualizer as Brom because he has to use photographs but its still an important part of his work. He's also been said to "have poor vision and sometimes he just sees something and it remind him of other things". |
I personally think that Boris is the more accomplished of the two but i have seen it suggested that BOTH of them trace photos. Granted, i have no proof of this, but i don't have any proof that they rely on visualzation either.
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| I think I've found references to even "academic" painters like Bougera using visualization. |
I don't know who Bougera is, but if you meant Bougerau then you are confusing "visualization" with years and YEARS of practical life studies that lead to intimate familiarity with the subject matter which allowed him to paint from his experienced knowledge. This is something even i can do with certain ascpects of my art (like lighting and female antomy). I don't need visual refrences for those things most of the time because i simply know from repeated practice how those things should look.
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| Actually, imo, this is probably some of the best advice on art to be PUT DOWN clearly and precisely in maybe 50 years because I've never seen anyone put it down so plainly as I have as something to work on consciously. I might even so far to say as this is in many cases this skill at visualization is what "talent is". Who knows could these articles be the future "loomis" or must reads for art? Of course, maybe not as everyone is different. |
Who konws, maybe your ideas ARE the next great artistic revelation, but unless you learn to present it better, no one is going to have the patience to find out.
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| You have to look to the best, and these are some of the best fantasy artist working today, and I've enough anecdotal evidence to suggest that visualization is a strong component of their work. |
I'm not syaing it isn't, but it would have more inpact if it came from those artists themselves with examples of it's success.
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| I'm still learning what I'm writing about too. I could have just kept all these goodies to myself but I knew it would help some other people. I, also, knew that the people who didn't really deserve it probably wouldn't even bother to read it anyway. But, yes, I could wait until I'm a master but by then it may become so natural to me that I wouldn't even care. |
Then you should at least show people your progress. Since you are a student of your own ideas, they would seem far less intimidating to other students if they could watch you learn and even learn with you.
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| I,also, made some of the discussions long because I wanted to try to get people to think about things that they thought they knew in new ways. It is like I have to push them, and myself a bit further. |
That being the case then i think perhaps if you would break things up into chapters (i think someone suggested this in the degenerated thread) then that would be easier to take in. Right now it just sort of rambles and now i know why.
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| This is more about "what you should do" then about me showing stuff. I mean you can gain a lot of value by reading what I write a 2-3x instead of just 1x. |
Well written information should present itself clearly in ONE read, not 2 or 3. And showing your own work is the simplest, fastest way to teach other artists. Why? Because artists are visual people. We learn best by seeing THEN doing.
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| Regarding my never posting here again: its a general sentiment |
Hrm. Well whatever floats your boat i guess, but it does come across as a bit inconsitent which really doesn't help you prove any of your cases...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:45 pm |
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gah, i got suckered into this again..... you know who you sound like?
more drawing and less typing....
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 4:46 pm |
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| Actually, "deprecate" IS a word...which, coincidentally, sounds an awful lot like "defecate". |
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