[Xyster21]

Here is an image I am planning to paint over on the computer. Does anyone see anything wrong (besides the eye I screwed up with placement)? It is sometimes hard for me to see my own mistakes.

It's going to be a mix of dark blues and purples in the picture for the background, might add some neon lights n what not for the dancer
Any other suggestions?
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[AndyT]

There are a lot more anatomical problems I guess.

If you used reference try to copy more accurately.
If you didn't ... then use reference

The shoulders are too wide and her hips too narrow.

This is taken from a book


And I think her head is too big.
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[Xyster21]

ah ok thx
No I didn't use a reference for this one but i'm pretty sure it would of helped.
And the head was already an issue I had to work out (the head is too long/stretched)
Thx ahead of time, if there is anything else have at it
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[geraldine]

Hi

You asked for some mistakes in the picture, so I took a look at it, and now I think that her mouth could be wrong,I mean the position of the mouth.. I think it's a bit (but just a little bit) inclinedly... but it could also be only me...

And her boobs seem to be to low or to "hang" too much to me, especially because she is holding her shoulders up, so if she didn't do that, I suppose her boobs would have to "hang" even more... but that's definitely a question of taste (and force of gravitiy perhaps) but in this case, I might be wrong ,too,but that's what I think...

And I think too that her hips might be too narrow.good sketch btw, I wished I could put shadows like you do but I'm trying to learn it...

I'd like to see the painted picture one day!
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[Xyster21]

Thx ya the shoulders were an issue (that I totally missed) that andy and you pointed out to me (caught it before I started working on it thankfully).
As for the lips I will see how it would look if I rotated them slightly, maybe it might read better than how it is. (btw the shoulders also look like she has a huge growth on each under her tight t-shirt) this was from earlier this year that I did in art class when I got bored (teacher demonstrating for about an hour or 2 on how to draw a square or something lol) but I am already starting to work on it on the computer right now so all the input is being taken into consideration. Thx for the replys
I'll post some updates in a day or so (when I have enuf to actually c & c on).


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[Light]

I worked on this for a while to do a paint over that I liked but I was too tired, and couldn't get anything to turn out just quite right.

http://light1.home.mindspring.com/copies/paint_overs/edit1.jpg

1. Notice that the front of the face tends to suggest the box shown. However, her hair seems to be from a slightly different angle. Notice obviously that her left eye crosses the front head plane as well.

2. Notice these large shoulders. Exaggerated anatomy is possible but these don't look right.

3. Notice that your arm slightly bevels out at the elbow. Notice the two lines I drew that suggest the arm should be 2 under curve lins.

4. Most importantly notice that you've skewed her chest, and breast. Notice also that you are suggesting extreme perspective (by the side view of her right breast) and yet it is still quite large.

General, much of the anatomy below the breast is hard to make out. It looks like you rushed below that part.

Notice this overlay which depicts one suggestion for how things m
ight be better:

http://light1.home.mindspring.com/copies/paint_overs/edit2.jpg

This shows a rough perspective shot for the figure in question. Notice in this shot the eye level will be roughly at her waist.

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The positive thing about this drawing is that it does have a lot of character, and style. Unfortanetly, there are too many technical problems for it to "work".

I've just written an new article that you might find very useful:

http://light1.home.mindspring.com/master_thoughts.doc

Especially you might find this these paragraphs useful:

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I will not look at my drawing as it is but I will SEE it as it should be.

After working on a drawing for some time we tend to look at a drawing as it appears on the paper, and if something is not right then we may have trouble determining what is wrong it.

The minor solution for this is to mirror your image. The MAJOR solution for this is to see in your mind how it should be, and you will then notice your mistakes much easier.

Don�t look at what is given but look beyond it and see what it could be!! You will find your mistakes much easier, and realize greater potential.

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Anyway, most important keep practicing!! Look forward to seeing more of your work in future....

[Xyster21]

The first coloration I did was almost finished but I didn't save it every other step I did... then photoshop had to crash so I had to restart all over again after about 3-4 hrs of work trying to see what would look better etc... uhg this is the 1 hr redo b4 I had to goto bed last night. If I didn't have work and school I would work on it alot more bleh. I will work on the lighting later but this is how much progress I made anyhow



Her right breast still looks off... either too stretched around or too small (because of where the shirt should be)
Was trying to make it work how I had drawn it to make it seem as if though she was putting her shoulders back a little but I can't seem to get the chest right (so I left it kinda how it was in a way just a lil touched up) bleh.

Thx light for the response. I had read the article that you wrote that runs along with the one u suggested but not yet this one. I'll look into it
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[Light]

Xys,

Yes this new one has a lot of good ideas that I think will help you. I forgot to add a few things that I'm working with or explain in better terms but I'll hope to do that soon.

I'm very low on creativity lately myself. Anyway, your painting is making good progress and should look good if you can get the anatomy fixed.

This is a difficult pose you have, and I tried to take (yet another fresh lookj at it).

http://light1.home.mindspring.com/copies/paint_overs/t2.jpg

Notice that your rib cage/chest shows something like the box indicated. Notice the arrow. This shows her thrusting her body that direction.

But notice her breast are drawn from a different angle. I think this is your problem! IE. The breast are skewed.

Also she has a very big chest, and I don't just mean breast indicated by the depth from her shoulders to the breast.

Here I tried to break down the drawing to simplify it:

http://light1.home.mindspring.com/copies/paint_overs/t1.jpg

The arrows coming off her mid line indicate the direction the nipples should be. The X is was kind of a lame attempt to see if I could see how perspective would be distoring the shapes.. not sure if its useful or not in this case.

http://light1.home.mindspring.com/copies/paint_overs/t3.jpg

A rough attempt at using the above as an underlay. Not the best but shows 1 possible idea.

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Anyway, yeah do read the new one. I think you'll find a lot.

I should expand slightly more on the "see from your mind and not on the paper though". This means okay you are having trouble with this pose. Imagine it as a real person in a similiar case. Try imaging another comic character there or a man. Anything to help you see it in a new way.

The idea is very useful to not look at what is given but look beyond it.

My creativity is really low right now though so I'm having more difficulty witht his then I should be. I'm going to have to just visualize for some time today.

Oh yeah, also you should draw the legs to the feet. I think this is part of your problem, and I was lazy too. Also, draw the arm behind her, and her hidden hand.

If you can't get it then you might just want to pull out some references for this one.

[Xyster21]

Thx light for the paintovers, they helped a lil more Sometimes I can't see what you guys see that is wrong and therefor I can't fix it as much :p

I was going to change both her arms poses... the right I was going to bring it out to hold the bar above her head and the other one bring it up a little bit so it doesn't look like she is holding the bar (left hand/arm) too far down... should look more seductive though.

Thx
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