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noxi · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:12 am

Wandering in a new field here. What about them skin textures? Could go for some here. Any tips?

This was quite hard for me but took only about 2hrs. I�m intending to continue this but just don�t know how yet.

Teemu Er�maa · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 2:33 am

Did you have any reference?

I'd suggest to have some, if you didn't. It's a hard leap to take otherwise.

The face looks quite ok by the anatomy (except the lips and stuff)

The first tip is not to use black as outline color, you may want also smoothen the brush strokes very much and now the skin looks partly a bit plastic (little greasy white spots here and there)

I'm no good in painting so don't take this too seriously and please, advise if I noted something wrong.
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noxi · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 6:53 am

thnx for tips teemu. those greasy spots might do it, so ill try that. and ill get rid of those black outlines. or i smooth em atleast.

yes i used ref. i had a photo of my gf. would be impossible without it.

see · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:44 am

When you use black color the image looks kind of dirty.

use black really only there where its absolutely necessary

noxi · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 9:13 am

Second version

CwStone · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2003 10:47 am

wow that looks alot better from the first v. The eyes and nose look great. The only thing thats throwin me 4 a loop are those black lines going up the...what r they called? u no, the indent things between the top lip and the bottom of the nose...uhh...ima look this up....Orbicularis oris! Anyway, i'd say get rid of those black lines goin up the "Orbicularis oris" and then this pic'l look perfect.
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Bobuke · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 12:03 am

Bobuke · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 12:25 am

In contrast to CwStone, I like the black "lines goin up the Orbicularis oris"!! That�s what makes the picture really interesting and according to theese aggresive lines, you have the gaze of her eyes telling us that life is a mysterious thing! Wink

You could work a little moore with the nose - the brown "line" should be smoothened up to a dissappearing shadow instead, I think!
She makes me think of Nicole Kidman in Moulin Rouge! Smile

This picture starts my fantasy... Go on Noxi and good luck!
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noxi · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 1:42 am

Critical Pete · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 8:50 am

Honestly I liked the first one better than the second one. Sure, the second one is technically better and perhaps even more aesthetically pleasing to the eye... ...but the first one has more of a presence and it tells a story about the person like "this person has been through hard times". ( Really I'd stick with the first one as even the background suits it more ) I noticed the obicularis oris right away too, but it's obvious you did it on purpose and so I didn't have a problem with it. It leads the eye up, following the nose, and takes you to the eyebrows which fix your gaze at her captivating eyes. I think her hair could be done better though. Like... Don't use those thin strokes, just block in bigger shapes to give the illusion of detail without drawing in each strand... You could just smooth it out a bit also though.

Bobuke · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:03 am

noxi · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:46 pm

Thanks for replies everyone. I just love epilogue.net Three days on pending status and: Not Approved (unrefined or lack of detail)!!! Very Happy

Ok, then maybe next time. I�ll just take a photo...

Ritaku · member Member # Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 56 Location: uk

i agree about the black lines around the eyes and mouth, they work nicely and give4 the image a little more character. also i think the more stylised earlier version was nicer to look at in some ways because smoothening out texture isn't all that amazing (at least in MY opinion). so i say go with the earlier version BUT... more detail around the eyes and smoothen (yes i said smoothen is silly but this different....) the makeup effects around the eyes.

thats all i can think of anyway. i like =)
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Drew · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:15 am

Bobuke · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:22 am

Drew!
You have really studied my portrait, so far, in detail Laughing

and I thank you a lot! Its easy to get blind and I agree with you about my misstakes so it will be fun to go on working now.... Smile

When I post next time I will also show the photo in larger size and only my last version.
I was a bit confused over your idea of starting a new thread....there are already two with nearly the same title. If the topics are the same isn�t it better to have only one and save new threads for new ideas??? Perhaps you ment something else... Wink

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Drew · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:35 am

I see what you mean, but with the exception of themed threads, such as Speed Painting, Gasmask, etc. we tend to start a new thread each time an artist posts something new. If an artist has more than one piece to post at the same time he is encouraged to post them all in the same new thread.

Generally, an artist will have the same errors in all of his work, so if they're all in one place, we can critique them all at once. Posting more than 3 or four in one thread is kind of pointless unless you're really good and just showing off what you've been up to.

Keep working on that portrait and let us know how it goes!