[geoman2k]

hey guys and gals
i've been wanting to try my hand at drawing female charactors for once... so i gave this one a try. i didn't use a referance because didn't want to be held back by anything at all (i wanted to be able to adapt my style to female charactors, not just copy a girl from a photo). what i came out with is less than spectacular. overall i think she looks good, there is something not quite right about her arms/neck/head/chest areas. i think i may have made the head a turned too far, or the shoulder in the wrong place or something. the hands are definatly shitty, i just put them temporarily there so i could work out the other problems first.

i can't figure out exactly what is wrong with her, but i know there definatly is something wrong. any help would be GREATLY apretiated


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[Capt. Fred]

Looks great to me. I like the neck/head/chest/... well. I like her, i think she looks spot on. especially the way she's turned her head I'd say.

Maybe her middle body is too long, her ribs/stomach the distance between shoulder and waist I mean, I'd say that could benfit from being made shorter, or imporved someotherhow.

In fact, I'd say that the realism of her hands, neck/head -- that whole chest-up pose -- contrasts with the realism of her face and facial featueres.. her lips for example, are cartoon compared to her-left/our-right hand.

I dunno.. if you think there's somthing rong with that pose then.. maybe I suppose, also:maybe you've just been looking at it too long.. ?

[Ritaku]

i don't think theres anything wrong with it really, but if you think there is, i would say it was her bust. it seems lifted by what she is wearing, but below her elbow you have the curve showing the beginning of the bust straight away.... maybe alter that area? other than that theres no problems at all. all you need to do is build on it with some nice finer details of shading etc in my opinion.
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[GRKboy]

Her right hip is twisted too far forward, and her head is not positioned properly in perspective. Rotate her head [from her perspective] down and a little to her right shoulder. And tuck it in a bit. Adding some lighting would probably show it off a bit.

As far as her torso, shorten it a little, but I dont think that is where the issue is. Ask someone in your family, or one of your friends to pose like that for you. See how thier right hip almost dissapears? They way you drew it, it looks as if her waist is twisted up toward the camera. Drop the line back, make it not as visible!! That should strengthen it!!
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[Drew]

[LauraMW]

Awww, that knight in the background makes the picture work so well for me.
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[geoman2k]

allright, i took some of your advice and worked on it a bit. i think i fixed most of the major errors, -face, hands, shoulders, legs and breasts. i added a bunch of mushrooms and plants to make it looks more like a swampy forest. at this moment, the only thing i really don't like about it is the knight in the background... i think i need to make him bigger and work on his armor a lot. any other suggestions would be greatly appretiated.



btw sorry the scan quallity is so shitty
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[dARCKLOWN]

I like the first one better, the second one seems....over detailed, the first one is very nice clean smooth

nice all the same
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[Critical Pete]

I totally agree with Drew. The fact that you didn't use reference is what's holding you back. The best thing for you is to get some life drawing under your belt as opposed to adding a bunch of detail to your picture so you can hide your mistake in the clutter. If your picture doesn't look right in the beginning, no amount of mushrooms will save you... Well unless they be magic mushrooms and you give them to everyone who sees this.

[vanishing]

http://www.freewebs.com/thevanishing/drawings/E020324%2D195.jpg

sorry if the image doesnt show.. please paste it on the browser.. i think this image should help u... well its the closest one i can find..

this girl knows how to pose pretty sexy, curved back.. chess out.. ass in... the only thing u have to do is rework the arms a bit and turn her head more to the lower right.

haha.. geez... some of these people are harsh with words in here.. what i think about your drawing? it does have some serious flaws. i'm guessing she is suppose to be as sexy as possible since u have that guy peeping on her.. shirt looks too tight in certain areas that it kind of scrunches up her boobs in a not so sexy way.

about your pencil work, you do need some practice with some live penciling and know how to work your pencil to its fullest potential. how well can you draw yourself in the mirror? its important to know when to use a thick line and a thin line.. most of your drawing is pretty thick, thats probably why you can stop it from getting dirty. try a lighter 3H lead, and keep it sharp as possible.

[vanishing]

ok.. obviously i wasnt paying attention to why you didnt use reference. i dont mean to be mean or anything. but if you cant do it without reference.. chances are its because YOU NEED REFERENCE. i think you have to be at a very high level to not use reference and come up with something that looks corrected in everyway. even PROS uses reference now and then..

[vanishing]

http://www.freewebs.com/thevanishing/drawings/C000827%2D036.jpg
the reason why i wanted to show u this is because of her shoulders.. they are high just like your fairy. but, the difference is the girl on my picture is resting on pillows, while your fairy is only combing her hair.. her high shoulders makes her look too tense.. but thats only my opinion, you dont have to listen to me =)

[geoman2k]

thanks for all the help, i really appretiate this because i have had very little training when i comes to drawing people... i'm kinda just teaching myself. thanks a ton for the picture, one of the main reasons i didn't use a ref was because i couldn't find a pic of a girl in the position i wanted,

as for the detail, the real reason i put all of the shrooms and shit in was because i was bored and felt like drawing something easy for a change (shrooms are like the easiest things in the world to draw). i wasn't trying to hide the original flaws (well, maybe a little on the legs), because i thought i had done my best on most of them. also keep in mind that this is just a early sketch, and the final version won't be a pencil drawing, it will most likely be in ink & marker (if i ever even do finish it).

i think my best option at this point is to rethink the entire picture, and start from scratch using a reference. either way i need to start over because the original sketch is not on my good marker paper, so starting over won't take much longer than transfering it anyways. once i come up with something new, i'll post it here again.

thanks again for all the help... having a second or third opinion really helps me figure out what is wrong, and what is right.

geoman
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[aColdOldKodiak]

yeah, retrace, simplify it a lot, keep the two figures the areas of interest.
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