[gigatron]

Hey, it's been so long since I last posted any WIP.. school keeps me busy.

Just working on a logo for a friend and I need to make it look good duh.. however I had a pretty bad start (started this long ago).

http://home.cogeco.ca/~angelo-arifi/log_wip.jpg

My ref is http://home.cogeco.ca/~angelo-arifi/7b.jpg

Please help me out and point out flaws (doesn't have to be a perfect replica of the ref, I like the position as it is, except that it has flaws in proportions and and sorta detail. I am not sure where to do what now that I got this. I really need help and I'm of my word and I don't wana just not do the logo. Please all help is apreciated, paintovers are very welcome for ideas. I need to add some color to the logo as well, I have tried several ideas, and this sort of shape is what he sort of liked (i lost the original sketch! and I started this new one which is similar to what I had before, the last one was like say a Nissan symbol with text on the sides horizontal, not a word then another word.) I dunno. Please help
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[gigatron]

Please help I desperately need advice and wish to finish this I am a man of my word and I don't want to make this little favor an exception.
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[CwStone]

Well, i think you got his body down very well...except for the fact that his right arm (the one with his elbo stikin up) seems alittle strange.

for the details, i suggest getting another reference of a person rufly in the same position just cuase that ref u got is a lil devoid of facial details wich makes it alot harder to do.

hope this helps
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[Germ01]

I would lose the whole realism approach and go for a more graphic representation as your image is really to blurry to work from. Keep the same pose but tighten the outline and fill it with a different color ie:burgandy and keep the black arcs. Oh yeah and lose the shadow on the type. Keep this logo simple and elegant, as I'm sure it can be used for hats, shirts, patches anything really. Hope this helps! Good luck man!
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[xyster19]

Germ01 has it down. The more simple it is... the more marketable (and costs less money to do so) than say a multicolored 3d special effects logo (which costs more to put on shirts etc and other items that could make money)... Even Black and white logos can be just as wicked as any 3d art. Just remember also that just because you can, doesn't mean you should. In other words... just because you have the ability to make it look 3d and superb doesn't mean that it is appropriate for the project at hand
I like the design.
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[diji]

Regarding Germ01's post about a more graphic image... I slapped this together in 5 minutes, using a shape layer in Photoshop 7. I can mail you the PSD, or I can copy the paths into Freehand or Illustrator as well, if you want to monkey around with it. It's just a starting point.

[Gort]

Germ is correct.

When designing a logo / brand, try to design for the lowest common denominator in terms of visual representation. What I mean is that take in account the simplest process for outputting the logo. Think about business cards and letterheads; these types of media tend to be done with low expenses in the realm of prepress; they would require one or two inks for the output, and that's cost effective. Your full color job would most likely require either a hefty sum or you having to go back and retrodesign to make it more fiscally sensitive. It's actually easier to take a simple representation and jazz it up for the web or any other type of media.

Start under the radar and design up.

I personally do not like the typeface; it's a bit stereotypical in terms of Asian references; some folks might find it a mockery of kanji and other like symbologies in Asian writing(s). If it were me I would explore something with more impact and that is easily legible across all media.


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[gigatron]

Hmm simplicity is truth You put that quite well together.. but I am SO awful when it comes down to making stuff like that :/ I admire cartoons and anime for its 'detailed realistic simplicity', if you will.. but I just suck at it myself. I obviously can't just use your work lol... I still have to finish the realistic painting pose.. but I am contemplating whether to continue, I stopped because I wanted to ask for better pictures. I have a lot of trouble assuming what's going on in the picture, even though I know the person heh. I thank you all for the advice. I will ask Master Ryu tomorrow on his opinion of the logo One more thing though (one thing I wish to ask him tomorrow as well), the top and bottom arches or whatever you wish to call them (lol I actually drew a half of it by hand... any prebuilt shape like that in photoshop?... sigh so much time just on that ), what should I put inside. It seems like a humburger, Maybe some designs inside the shapes would be nice? What do you think guys.
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[gigatron]

Yes please would you email it to [email protected] I am so not into that sort of art, I am clueless on how to make stuff like that I just don't know.
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[friedmonkeypaint]

i like it like it is to be honest. but i see the point of simplifying for economical reasons... you mentioned you have a hard time doing stylized drawing....what you could do is just outline what you have (like below) then maybe do a solid fill with whatever color of choice, then surround it with that cbs logo thing......o and as far as staying away form stereotyping i wouldn't neccessarily agree to stay away from it . don't get me wrong i think its a horrible thing that never shoulda started... but it did so you might as well use it to your advantage....take it and twist it back on itself make it so stereotypical that it's ridiculus.

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[diji]

What do you want me to mail you: Photoshop (6 and up), Illustrator, or Freehand?

[gigatron]

Once again, I am thankful for the replies, sharing of knowledge and wisdom. Combined thaught is better then a single thaught I see what you guys are getting at, I agree that its more then likely much more expensive, however the current place that this guy teaches at (I got to as well), has a weird ass logo with millions of colors A photographed tiger's head is part of the logo lol.. This logo is between him and I, no one knows about it anyways I am not sure what he is intrested in exactly EXACTLY, he is giving me the freedom to design it whichever way I want pretty much. I will talk to him tonight some more about this. What do you guys also think about the arches, without anything inside, it seems like a hamburger (what's that hamburger company that went down under, they had a similar logo lol). The two arches might be alright for a simple flat but not realistic design..unless maybe i had designs inside the arches (dragon/some asian asociation i dunno :/)

Oh and diji, I use photoshop, I don't have illustrator or freehand installed, although I believe photoshop 7 can load up those formats, so send however you think is best, I really appreciate the time you spent on it (even if it was 5 minutes I'll check out what you have done and consider what I may do, I can't just use yours and even if you let me, I wouldn't want to lol..
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