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eyalyab · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:57 am

its supposed to convey sadness. i think i'm finished with the face sketch. before i color i wanted to add backgroud outlines.
i was thinking about a stalagmite/stalagtite cave - the kingdom of the princess in the sketch, which collapses in the background.
any suggestions/crits/comments welcome

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eyalyab · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:29 am

no comments Sad

.. so i just went for it

xmmx · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:25 am

I think it is a good start. but I think it she really doesn�t show that much emotion. if she is really sad then her eye brows would be curving up a lot more then that, would you mind if I saw a pic of the reference also?
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Reakshun · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:37 am

I see what you're doing in the composition with the stalagtites(spelling) merging with the girls eyes like tears almost. THIS COULD WORK and I'm not doubting you, but it takes the RIGHT colors or it will otherwise look a big tangent.

So, be careful on your lighting. Idea

You might want to use soft rim lighting on the side closes to the bg.

I have confidence though and think it should turn out pretty cool. Wink

eyalyab · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:21 pm

thanks for the comments people..
as for the reference photo. i only have it from the newspaper (israel) and i dont have a scanner or a camera to bring it onto the screen to a file Sad

xmmx: im taking a look at the brows now, i see what you're saying. ill give it a notice when i color.

Reakshun: thanks for the confidence Razz

and for the advice on the lighting. ill take a note. its nice you even noticed what i tried to do there Wink

by the way, i've always painted with a solid, smooth plain airbrush. and i want to mix in a skin patern (pores) this time. anyone knows where i can download a human skin pattern for photoshop?
i tried using a 'dirt' pattern but it doesnt look good:.. (dont mind the scrappy coloring, im experimenting with the brushes/patterns)
(here is the color palette by the way)

Simoom · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:15 am

hmm, you reminded me of an idea I want to draw/paint sometime with the title... thanks Smile

I like the vacant look you've given her, seems the most fitting for the concept, she doesn't seem so much sad as defeated, and well, collapsing I guess. The coloring is odd so far, but since you said its just experimenting I won't comment on it yet

eyalyab · Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:43 am

its my first attempt to paintbrush and use regular brushes
i usually airbrush.

eyalyab · Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 2:03 pm

which style should i go for?
airbrush style /w dodge/burn or paintbruses?
i've never tried paintbrushes. im one of those airbrushes..

ZippySquirrelnut · Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:12 pm

im gonna tell you a little something about skin cuz i was having a problem similar to what youre going through. anyways, i asked Vyle about my problem and he told me to remember that , skin is never just one color, or a gradient of said color, skin has lots of different colors and shadows and highlights (make a fist and check out all the different colors where your index finger curls over), in skin theres lots of reds blues greens,purples and whatever else you can think of, and these vary based on pressure light and what not. since the girl is crying her face is gonna be more flushed so id add some reds and her eyes will be swelling up a little bit, find some reference pics of people crying also her skin will be highly reflective because of the moisture and sweat and oil her glands are producing. heres a link to a picture im working on, as you cans ee the skin is pretty stylized, but it still looks like skin. i reccomend starting off with a multiply layer and a overlay layer to paint skin, overlays work great for highlights. anyways feel free to contact me if you need any other help.http://www.geocities.com/zippysquirrelnuts/update4copy.jpg
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ZippySquirrelnut · Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:13 pm

oh and try and stay away from orange for skin tones.
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eyalyab · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:17 pm

zippysquirrelnut: thanks for the comment(s). they are helpful.
i know skin has lots of colors rather than just one color that
gradients into highlights and shaddows. i will try to do what you
said about making her flush with red tones. i want to eventually
make her eyes filled with tears (one tear will pop down to the
pond in the stalagmite cave).
you were completely right about the orange. after you said it i
realized you are right. so here is a small update:

can you give some more info on how to work that overlay layer?
plus, i want to be able to use a 'skin pores' pattern on some
areas of her face and i dont know how or where to find 'skin pores'
patters.
should i make one myself? how?

AndyT · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:24 pm

That's great so far. I love the idea and the composition! Now it really depends on how you color the rest of the image if the skin tone will look weird when it's finished. I'm not sure but isn't the perspective of the nose weird? It kinda looks as if it's melting. But that might just be me.
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eyalyab · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:05 pm

Andromeda · Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:52 am

EYELAB these are great !
i love these step by step things .... please keep updating this ..
i'll be checking in everyday to see the progress =]
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eyalyab · Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 6:53 pm

an update. im drawing this part by part now and will add whole-some lighting and stuff at the end. i want it to be very detailed so im working on a big canvas and zooming in like crazy.

Maura · Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:48 pm

Oh that's pretty. You might want to add a bit of shading to that area under the eye. The rest is good, but that one section looks inconsistant and flat. I'd also recomend shading with a bit of blue. It'd add depth, because the brown shades of the skin is wormer than a darker bluer shade of skin, and warmer colours always stick out more than cool colours Smile

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PhatTexta · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:23 am

u are going well man keep it up!
im learning alot from just lurking in this thread u must be sooaking it up

ZippySquirrelnut · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:19 am

working an overlay layr is really similar to working a screen layer basically it takes a certain color and produces a lighter shade each time you lay down a stroke, its under the light layers section so i think it might add a slight haze effect as well, but i mostly work with it at a 15 -40 percent opacity so i cant really say for sure. most of the high lights on that cyborg pick i have are made with an overlay layer though. hope that helps some.
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ZippySquirrelnut · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:21 am

one more comment on the lighting on the nose,m the thing you need to remember is that the nose at the front is a flat plane so it will be lit the same across the entire bridge, i noticed you have it light dark light, you might want to go back and remedy that.
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eyalyab · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:52 pm

thank you everyone for the comments. they are very helpful all of them.
im still working on that eye and havnt gotten to the rest of the face yet. just rough shading to know what's going on..

Maura: thank you. its means alot. i was thinking about what you said about the blue shading and how to get that into the drawing because i was planning on a warm colored environment, but i think i will go with your suggestion (for the depth).
*i was thinking of maybe making the stalagmite cave an icy frozen up stalagamite cave.. then i can add the blues from the ice.. what do you think?

PhatTexta: thanks man, its nice to hear such comments ;]

ZippySquirrelnut: thanks for taking time to comment so often. its helping me a bunch. i will try the overlay/screen and other options layers. usually i'd dodge and burn directly on the same layer and its irreversible. with the screen layer its so much easier. thanks a million for bringing that up to me.
*what's the best layer option to set to get a similar effect as midtones dodge and highlight burn? (those are what i use on this drawing)

oh and also thanks on that nose. i checked it out and you wre right. the shading there is a bit off.

these comments are so helpful- i can't stress that enough.
more more!! ;]
this forum r0cks

AndyT · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:59 pm

That eye is soooo great!
You rock!

Update please!
more more!! Wink

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eyalyab · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:17 pm

thanks andy. you rock too! Wink

i'll try to work on it again as soon as i can. (it's exams season Crying or Very sad

)
i actually stayed at the dorms this weekend instead of going home just to get some progress, but instead, my homework project partner bailed out on me and i had to do all of the project myself. took up all weekend.
when i see that guy again Evil or Very Mad

well.. you get the point

ZippySquirrelnut · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 7:52 pm

to answer your last question about the layers and producing that doge and burn result, id do the following, set up four or five layers layers, the first will be a multiply layer, lay in a base color for the skin start, with a light skin color and keep layering your strokes until you find the darkest skin colors you want. next drop a screen or overlay layer and put your basic higlighted areas in, play with the opacity, and dont be afraid to toss the layer if its not looking right, once you get your basic highlights down youre ready to drop your third layer on. the third layer is gonna be another multiply layer. youre gonna drop youre secondary and tertiary skin colors as well as some lighting effects, drop the opacity on your brush really low and just go to town and have fun with it. for your skin this third layer is where youll add more of the important stuff the reds blues purples and what nots for blushes swelling and veins and variations in the skin, also youll want to take the colors that your gonna light the scene with and start blocking out areas on the subject where light will be hitting and where it will not be hitting respectively. when youre satisfied with the dark areas of your subject its time to drop the next layer. the fourth layer can be either a screen or an overlay, and now youre gonna be dropping in the highlights for the colors on layer three, its pretty simple just play with it until youre satisfied. if you want to get some really bright BRIGHT highlights you can add a fifth layer. the fifth layer will be a vivid light layer, use only the colors for your lighting, and white, vivid light is a funky layer and will take some time to get used to. anyways hope that answers your question. if you want i can show you the skin breakdown for each layer on my cyborg character. just email me or something.
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Maura · Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:27 pm

Your welcome Smile

That's a good idea, although you'll want to add a little blueish shading on the face, and a little brown in the background. This is so the foreground and the background fit together, and look different enough to tell apart, but but so much so that they look like part of two different pictures.
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eyalyab · Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2003 10:44 am

projects suck! period
i study industrial engineering and management / information systems engineering at technion Israel institute of technology
the project was in the course 'stochastic models in operations research' to make a simulation in a programming language for a pizzeria telephony to measure costs and loadtime on the system so we can analize the results and compare them with theoretical results and find bottlenecks and improve the performance of hte system and so on and so on..

a bunch of horseshit if you look at it from afar. sucks balls!! grrrr.
im mad. off to listen to Air

eyalyab · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:53 am

bah! took me some time to search for the thread.
well.. i've finally had some time to draw. so im making some
progress to this drawing..

Atrophy · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:19 pm

Man, extremely interesting reading, this be. One, probably, newb question... why do you have blotches of colors on your drawing? Is it some convenience I'm unaware of? Just noticed and wonder'd...
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UkiTakuMuki · member Member # Joined: 20 Nov 2002 Posts: 156

thats wonderful!!!!!!!!!

i love that eye, and the general composition! it doesnt realy matter how sad she looks... imo... i guess how u paint in the colours and mood for the pic that will ultimately 'betray' her stone face.

great!!!!!

eyalyab · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:29 am

the stains of color.. i just use them to pick color with ALT key, instead of picking with the swatches menu. its more comfortable, and more workspace.. ;]