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saripol · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 1:40 am

I did this one as an exercise for a thread in conceptart.org forum..

on the left is my copy and on the right is the original painting
i know there's a whole bunch of mistake in it... but i would like to hear what you guys think..

thanks.

spooge demon · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 2:36 am

To much contrast. Look more carefully at the lips, the nose, eyesocket.

Think of the head as a cylinder, and look how the tones fall away towards the sides of the head. Other than very dark local values(eyes, etc) the lit portion of the face has very few darks.

The halftones get too dark and things look a little shiny.

Read also what he said about simplification. I think many times people identify a "painterly" style a lot of loose strokes. Simplification is usually overlooked, but really is more important. Look at the white cloth- there is not a lot of "painting" going on in sargents. What forms he has chosen to paint are done with very close values.

Gimbal8 · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:35 am

Good excercise. Getting the right value from color images is tough for me. You've done a better job then I could have. I see what spooge is saying about the nose, mouth and eyes though. The contrast is much higher there in yours. It makes the highlights look brighter.

saripol · Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2002 9:17 am

spooge, gimbal8 ... thanks for the comment.. mine does has too much contrast in it.. i was kinda hesitated to push the value further afraid that it might ruins the whole piece... i guess i shouldn't have been worried too much about detail in early stage but get the value right first.. anyway this was a really good exercise.. thanks again..

I tried doing another copy, this one is of "Potrait of Gabrielle Drienza" by William Bouguereau

but it have been almost three week since worked on this piece, i don't think i'm gonna finish this

.. i think my day job is trying to take over my life.. so i thought i should just post what i've done..

[ July 28, 2002: Message edited by: saripol ]

xXxPZxXx · Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2002 9:56 am

I like this exercise and I like what you did with it.

now I am going to do the same

-PZ-

Loxley · Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2002 12:24 pm

Im not sure if this is emulating sargent as much as it is redoing the picture in your own style. Its pretty good, either way. Keep it up.

HaRdC0rePixxX · Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2002 3:04 pm

imo, u should use bigger brushes to define the basic shapes/value, then switch to the ones u r using.

edible snowman · member Member # Joined: 12 Sep 2000 Posts: 998

i think you've done the same thing with the nose and clothes of the second one. it also seems like you had trouble capturing the subtle gradations of the left cheek. i'm not sure about this one, but it seems to me that there should be just a little more contrast between the side of her face thats in shadow and the side that's lit. they look like they're almost the same value. it's quite possible i'm wrong though. there is of course also the forehead, but it just seems like you left that unfinished and decided to move on. good job on these though.

[ July 28, 2002: Message edited by: edible snowman ]

Torstein Nordstrand · Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2002 12:10 pm

HardCore is correct, larger brushes, define the main form, then noodle and adjust 'till you drop

Maybe you should work more on the first one? It certainly paid off for others in the same thread.

Take a look at this old Sijun Spoogy-thread, download the first image and repeat the exercise, I guarantee you'll benefit from it:

,HERE

And now, we wait for Conceptart to reappear...

Thanks

mindcandyman · junior member Member # Joined: 23 Dec 2002 Posts: 9

Hey Torstein...the thread doesn't work but I am really interested in looking at that thread...anyone know where to find it?

Kad1 · Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2002 12:28 pm

First off, your a bigger man than me trying to redo a Sargent... I was lucky enough to see some of his works here in Nashville last month and phew.. he was damn good.

As for your renderings, in the second one there is alot more white in her face in the Sargent than in the gray tone one and some of the real dark areas in the Sargent are lighter gray in the yours. But Nice Job Smile

The first one is good also, but I do think that there are also alot more lighter areas.

As for what Spooge said, Sargent was very good at simple strokes telling alot of detail. Looking at his works up close he could define a type of fabric with one stroke.. very cool stuff. And as for his whites, he was very good any have all sorts of different white fabrics and colors.. enough to make my head spin.
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Matthew · Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2002 12:16 pm

Hello
mindcandyman, that is a link to the old sijun so I guess you will have to look it up manually.

Matthew