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HardCoil · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2002 2:15 am

Does anyone have experience with these ? My old wacom penpartner is dying, and I can't afford a large intous at the moment, so I thought these might be ok, they are a LOT cheaper than the wacom ones...

http://www.trust.com/products/frame-product.htm?artnr=12579

My main concern is if it works with the programs I use (painter, Corel photo paint) and if it's reliable (compared to the penpartner).

Any advice would be appreciated.

zak · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:59 am

NO DONT BUY IT!!! i had one and i hated it. you can make do with one, but its very uncomfortable and mine broke quickly and their customer support sucked cock Exclamation

oDD · Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2002 7:12 am

i'm using trust 400 for 8 months now. This is my first tablet. After first week of using it the pen cracked in the place showed on the pic (now its taped with sticking tape)

the green button on the pic is in fact two buttons, so the red thing isn't the button - there is no eraser there or anything its just a pice of plastik.

the bottom of the tablet is curved !! (because it's done pretty crappy)

the biggest diffrence betwean the inutos and my model - at least for me - is the data transfer. trust got half what intuos got so the sketching is even harder but i was playing with wacom only on cebit and it was before i've got the trust so its hard to judge that parameter for me.

another thing that i think is broken in my tablet is when i make a line and then undo it sometimes it cancels only half of it as if the tablet would stoped and started to work while i was doinng that line. + sometimes instead when i click the comp thinks its a double click.

i heard that trust don't do the tablets they just buy it from the aiptek. And this could be true cause they look the same !!! anyway my friend got the aiptek that looks exactly as my trust but he says he got some problems with it so i don't know if aiptek is a better solution.

I worked with painter and photoshop with no problems in instalation onor any problems with detection of the device.

anyway I don't think it limits my painting skills jet. But i dream about the wacom Razz

sorry for my spelling but i can't spell even in polish.
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HardCoil · Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:38 am

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm just going to buy one of the cheaper, smaller Wacoms again.
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SikeSpiegal005 · Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 5:39 pm

Think of it this way. Ur eventually gonna get a good wacom tab, right? So why waste the money on one that isnt nearly as good? If ur gonna get it anyway, then dont waste the money on the worse one becuasethe money'l help u get the wacom faster.

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McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:30 am

All Trust tablets suck? Trust 1200 too?

oDD · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:53 am

i forgot to mention that my tablet isnt completly flat on the surface where you use pen.

i thnik the new/bigger trust isnt much diffrence.... If you got little money buy the 400 if got more buy wacom, atleast i would do it like that.
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McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:15 am

Yeah don't got much money I'm afraid... But the Trust 400 costs like $115 here, and the Trust 1200 costs $140... I might as well buy it? I wouldn't dream of getting the Wacom tablet right now, not even the A6 version, costs about $360...

Maybe if I ever get a job Smile

I'll manage to scrape together enough for a Wacom sometime... I've never used a Wacom or any tablet for that matter so I won't know what I'm missing out on if I start with a Trust?

AndyT · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:36 am

Doesn't a Wacom Graphire2 cost about $100?
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McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:42 am

Might be, but whats the size of it? And by the way, when I say "here" I mean in Norway... I just did an estimated $price from the norwegian one...
There's not many local shops or norwegian internet stores that sell Wacom either:(

AndyT · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:02 am

I also meant the estimated $price. It small. I don't have a tablet.

But I read pretty often that the size is not that important. You should go for the Wacom I guess...
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McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:21 am

Ok, I just found a store that sells a Wacom Graphire 2 "ca. A5"
The price is $166... Guess thats an ok price, but doesn't size matter? I mean isn't it "hard" to draw high-res images on such a small tablet? And how does a tablet work, does it cover the entire screen when drawing or is it an area of the screen, also is the graphire 2 tablet/pen pressure sensitive?

AndyT · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:37 am

It is pressure sensitive! I think others can answer the other questions...

but I think the price is not ok Exclamation

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McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:46 am

I'll try to see if I can't find some norwegian artists and ask whether they know where to get a decent tablet for a decent price... Maybe there's someone in the forums here?

B0b · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:12 am

McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:21 am

Thanks B0b, guess I'll be going for a graphire 2 "ca. A5" tablet then...

Another thing, how do you know where the cursor is? Isn't it like drawing something without whatching the paper? Or in this case you see the "paper" but no pen...

J Bradford · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 10:39 am

If you want a wacom for less money check ebay

McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 10:50 am

"We ship to the following countries ONLY : Canada, United States"
Me lives in Norway Wink

r4bid · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:39 am

check on pricewatch for referbished wacoms from little companies. I got a 6x8 intuos referbished (with a warrenty) for about 70% of the usual retail price and it has worked fine for me for over a year.

McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:00 pm

eyalyab · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:51 pm

i have a graphire1 and its the only tablet i ever purchased.
i can tell you it isnt as good as my friends pen partner. the pressure sensitivity is only okay and the nib/eraser dont slide in/out as soft as the penpartner ones.
i bought it online from the wacom site and had it mailed to a relative in the usa who brought it over to me when he came for a visit.
it cost 99$ +10$s&h (its okay i guess.. you get a mouse too, but i never used it). if you have a relative in the usa you can do the same.

my advice to you is to try to locate a store in your country that imports wacom stuff. if there is a store in israel that imports wacom tablets then surely there is one in norway.. just have to look. i didnt know there was a store like that in israel until a few weeks ago when my friend found one because he needed nibs.

oh.. there is also a new wacom product called volito, and you can also try to see in the wacom store if they sell the graphire1's i remember when they came out with the graphire2's they sold the 1's for 49$ and i was pissed for buying mine for 99$

McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:38 pm

whats the differences between volito and graphire 2? The volito pen doesn't have an eraser does it?

HawkOne · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:55 pm

@ McKack :

With about 10 seconds worth of research I was able to come up with these links to companies selling Wacom products in Norway ..

You said that ...

McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:06 pm

Thanks for the links, I didn't exactly do a heavy search, and most sites I found was very expensive or for business purpouse only... I'll check out the links and see if there might be some possibilites... How did you find the sites by the way? I'd like to find some norwegian sites that sell those Aiptek and Nisis tablets...

McKack · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2003 4:57 pm

Another thing, is the Aiptek and Nisis any better than Trust?

Hunago · Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:55 am

I'm thinking to get an Aiptek 8'x6', it's about same price of a wacom graphire 4'x5',
unlike wacom it needs aaa battery in the pen, but the weight wouldn't bother me much.

Go to google.com and search 'norway aiptek supplier' should give you a number of links.

McKack · Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:08 am

The Aiptek 12000U

and Trust 1200 tablets

are the same... Only differense is that the Aiptek uses batteries with the pen, which makes trust seem a bit better... So I called a local store in my city, they said they could order a Trust 1200 for me, around $150... Now if the Trust tablet/pen brake after some time I got the warranty and the store has to take care of it. They also said that they have sold some Trust tablets before and never had any complaints, yet:)
The pen has that 512 step pressure sensitivity thing and no eraser... But I believe the size of the tablet, A4, makes up for that, it has a good resolution too... As mentioned I've never experienced the glory of a Wacom so the Trust should do just fine for now right? Who knows, maybe I become rich and famous and then I'll get a Wacom Cintiq 18SX...
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HawkOne · Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:49 pm

I am on a crusade .... and I even have the audacity to quote myself from another thread ...

How do you know what tablet to choose ????

McKack · Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 12:52 am

Thanks for your words of wisdom HawkOne;)

Well, I wouldn't call myself a beginner, but no professional neither...
Usually when I draw in real life I use A4 size and up, when I paint I mostly use A3's, and yes I use my whole arm... So I guess an A4 tablet is what I should get, but in the $100 - $150 priceclass.

About the pen issue, I don't think the weight would bother me, but when I can get two identical tablets for the same price (1. Aiptek 2.Trust) one with batteries another without, I'd go for the one without, mainly because I'd have to buy new batteries now and then...

So now I'm getting the Trust 1200 tablet (?) Smile

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