[Novacaptain]

I know the topic of paintovers is one that has been the subject of discussion in the past. I'm interested in hearing opinions on it to get an idea of where people stand on this matter. I personally adore paintovers, and i feel that i am in debt to the artists that have kindly enough picked up the brush to show me what words could not possibly say. I sometimes make paintovers to go along with critique but it always feels like there's a 50% chance that the artist won't like it and get pissed at me for defiling their artwork. Do you think it should be a more frequent practice? Participate. Give your opinion.
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[Socar MYLES]

The only time I don't like them is when the work is for an employer who is likely to see the paintover. I once had an art director get hurt and angry because someone painted over the pose of a figure in the painting...a pose he had asked me to use. It took me a very long time to explain that paintovers are not an insult, just someone else's idea of what could look good.

One time, too, someone painted over a dog painting I did, but instead of making a serious suggestion (I don't THINK it was supposed to be serious, anyway), he made it look like the dog was humping a rock. I was a little taken aback by that one...but that's not to say I had anything against it. It was good for a laugh....
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[Rinaldo]

only if used to Illustrate a constructive point that someone wants to make about the image. if so then I more than welcome it.
skill of the person who is doing the paint over is not important. but why they are doing it is.
I can't stand the joke paintovers. just seems like an insult to me. but it really depends on who the 2 people are. not acceptable if you are painting over someone you don't know.
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[Sumaleth]

My thinking is if you dont want paintovers, dont post here. They're great fun, and can often prove to be inspirational and insightful.
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[Xyster21]

Paintovers are the most helpful of all crits I think but sometimes it spoils the fun of figuring things out for yourself (unless you are desperate and have no clue where to go from where you are)... though you don't necessarily have to listen to everything because your art is your own, concieved from your own mind and no one can peer into it to see what you want or have envisioned as your masterpeice and the meaning behind every little thing. But I agree with Sumaleth... that's why we have this great place for posting our work. If you post here you ARE going to get a reaction (good or bad and even none at all... depends on the viewer & the work you did) and if you aren't and just want to show it and expect no critisism, then why post here? Besides, people on these forums (most) are very friendly and have intelligent and HELPFUL crits for everything and the paintovers from some of the higher up level painters are very inspiring even if you don't use the fixes/ideas/suggestions/etc from them. Paintovers also help when words run short of explaining or helping to understand problems or to suggest things work a work of art. And sometimes there can be 'joke' paintovers but hey, just keep an open mind and a sense of humor and you will be doin fine. If it weren't for these forums (to post work in and not just the Sijun.com forums but others too) I don't know what us artists would do (because of the forums ease of use and quick response time from a hundred users and more). I'm rambling on a bit but I think these forums help people improve and learn 10x faster than they would just by going on by themselves alone(ya I am contradicting myself a lil because I said it's fun to learn things on your own, and for me it is) but at least you get pointed in a good direction with your work.

Sorry for going off topic a little bit just had to add a lil something to the end of it.

Anyone want to smack my post down for some reason go right ahead It is 3:20am for me and my brain just ran away anyways (maybe even before writing this post hehe)
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[gArGOyLe^]

I openly welcome them. I'd be very happy if I could get a paintover in each Work in Progress I post.

[Max]

One mounth ago I got a paintover from micke.
I can't think of a better critique. I was sooo happy!
YES to paintovers!!!!

[Inspector Lee]

I'm with Xyster21. I think that a paint-over is the clearest and most concise way to give or get criticism. Ther are so many things with art that are just too difficult or time consuming to describe with words, and to do so requires that the person you're posting to has a good "art vocabulary". A good paint-over gets the point across immediately. I think that if someone doesn't want paint-overs, they can just say so in their post. As for me, paint the crap over my stuff!
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[gigatron]

Ya definetely, paintovers are a great help (at least guidelines i mean, helping with proportions and such if the other person cant notice them for some weird reason OR painting a different style, texture, color etc... to give advice or push the artist further and what not. Its really helpful they are invaluable
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[liv the fish]

I got mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it's probably the best and easiest way to get a point across. On the other I feel cheated if I'm not given the chance to take their advice and work it out for myself. I feel that if I didn't paint/draw the correction first, I'm just copying what I've already seen someone else do. And then, outside of mere exercise, what's the point of me doing the changes?

I don't mind painter overs if they're done on exercises and practice. But I'd rather not have them on projects for a client. I'm not saying I'd turn in a paint over, but I'd feel like I'm not giving the client all me if I just follow what I see in the paint over. It just seems like you get a sticky ethical question of whether that final images is really you or if you owe someone some of your fee

That's enough thinking for one day...back to doing ads

Brian
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