[zak]

basically i bought a new adsl modem / router, cables ethernet cards, the whole lot. i set the thing up, and the network is working all fine. now im trying to get the internet working on both computers, but its just not going. the router seems to be connecting to the internet just fine. the diagnostics are all going good (after a few days of trial and error). but the computers do not seem to "see" that this connection exists. ive set the default gateway in the tcp/ip properties and everything. im out of ideas now anyone willing to lend a helping hand.

ps. i dunno what this dns address business is about (i do kinda but its not making sense) maybe its something to do with that? someone please shed light on the subject.

pps. bear with me if im not very clear. im tired and havent got a clue what im talking about, and yes im posting this topic everywhere because im desperate

[soogarrush]

can you specify which router you have?

use obtain IP adress/DNS adress automaticly, it should work..if not, i believe you'd have to type it in manually (get your network details via, Run >> "command" >> "ipconfig /all")

Most routers ip adress is 192.168.1.1, so that would be you gateway. DNS information you can get from "ipconfgi /all".

[zak]

[B0b]

did you get some software with it? or do u need to use IE to communicate with it?

most 'private' networks your the IP: 192.160.0.1-192.168.0.254, standard gateway ip is : 192.168.0.1 on a 255.255.255.0 Subnet..

i'm lookin up information on you router atm and i'll post my findings in a bit..

[B0b]

ok looks like this automatically assigns IP addresses for you, so you shouldn't assign the IP's yourself

[zak]

bob: it wasnt my setup. it was bt's fault, they gave me the wrong details, so i couldnt connect.

ps. that router game with a manual on disk which came to about 60+ pages when i printed it out. i currently know most of it off by heart. you can take my word for it that when i say that i have a problem, i really do have a problem, and it isnt just because im too lazy to read the manual. anyway, thanks for yer help, it was very helpful. i was reading yopur post when i decided to ring bt up for the n'th time to check the ip's and whatnots

[B0b]

ahhh BT ..

if your stilll having trouble try googling for "setting up 'name of router' on BT network"

out of interest why didn't you just set up one of the PC's in the building to b the gateway/firewall?

[Gort]

OK

Make sure you're correctly "spoofing" your mac ip address correctly across the network. What this means (if you don't know already) is that with one machine through dsl/cable to the ISP, the ISP will assign your machine an IP address. Now you come along and insert the router between the connection to your ISP and your machine(s); the ISP will think that the router is the computer and then assign the ip address to the router; the router then spoofs the mac ip across the network using it's own internal addresses (192.168.1.0 - the zero typically being sequentially replaced for each machine - 1, 2, 3 etc.). The router should have the .0 extension on the address.

Typically a router should have a browser based front end application that lets you set up your local and wide area network. Now I don't know the type of router your have, but mine does everything automatically; you let the router do the work by assigning each machine an address. It's a very simple process with my particular router - a NetGear MR314.

As for a firewall, unless you have your own domain and hosting environment with an open port, the router will protect you from instrusion; with no open port it's virtually impossible to get in to.
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[zak]

bob: because i need to use internet on both pc's, yet i dont want anoone to be dependant on the other + im expanding my network soon, so im gonna need it anyway. also it gave me a chance to learn about networking

tom: very improtant, i was starting to wonder about mac spoofing. thanksfor clearing that up the network seems to be working all fine now, i just need to do some fine tuning me thinks. thats a sweet router you go there, but i herd that the wireless networks arent as secure as normal ones, but i doubt you need to worry about that, unless youre the pentagon

[Gort]

Actually wireless networks are very secure; you just have to implement the right measures for protection. The primary element for wireless security is the ESSID label. A lot of people will just plug in and go with the factory default ESSID, and that is how the wireless network is typically compromised. If you do not change that default to something else - something as difficult to crack as an alpha numeric password - then you're open to intrusion.

As for the device itself I love it. I have a laptop with a wireless nic, and it let's me move the laptop freely throughout my home - the sofa, kitchen, bathroom even - while staying connected. My desktop machines are hardwired with cat5; I have no intention of moving them about.
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- Tom Carter

"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield

[B0b]

and wireless is only 11mbit?

[Gort]

The router I have is 11 mbps - yes, but there are newer models on the market that support up 100 mbps! My purpose is primarily for casual surfing and email; I do not use my laptop for gaming or any massive file transfers (although I have done site FTP before - no big deal, really). Most of my gaming and big transfer stuff is done on the desktop machine.

Be advised that the newer, faster routers will cost more!
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- Tom Carter

"You can't stop the waves but you can learn to surf" - Jack Kornfield

[zak]

only 11 mbps?!
hold on 11 mbps is quite decent actually. sounds great. i might just do the same thing if i get a laptop. but thatll take a while. what i said was based on a funny story i herd. basically when the technology first came out, and all the big companies were using it and stuff, some hacker just built a strange antenna type thing out of a pringles can!, and was walking down the road with a laptop and a pringles can getting all the comp details of the companies. hed just point it at the building and voila! hed have his act sorted. later hed just get in with all the shit hed found out earlier

[B0b]

no its not 11 Megabytes a second... its 11Mbit its about 800k/sec

[zak]

oops, my bad, im starting to go blind

[B0b]

no its tom putting u off...