[apocalypse newt]

hey here some green lightening for some reason- apparently exclaimation marks are for bad artists link 2 image
crits & comments welcome!

[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: apocalypse newt ]

[AdezJ]

you will have to do more than that go get attention here...

[apocalypse newt]

yeh looks to be an exercise in futility

this was just me messin with photoshop figurin out how to work it btw

[Asurfael]

Oh my god. Before I noticed your member rating, I thought you were just one of the good artists making fun of the newbies, with the !!!!! and all... Apparently you're not.

[apocalypse newt]

hey ive 1 vote gimme a break already

[Asurfael]

looks like 4 votes to me...

[General Confusion]

what kind of C & C are you looking for with this???

[Diruo]

C'mon people.. you're not being very supportive! I betting even Spooge was a beginner ones..

Newt: For being a picture of green lightning (which doesn't make sence btw..) it's not bad!

[Asurfael]

I'm a beginner too, but at least I've got enough self criticsm not to post here with all the exclaimation marks, and typos on the topic headline and the text itself, and on top of that, a piece of art that doesn't seem to make sense even to the artist. I don't think I'm on a good enough level to post here, and I'm pretty sure I'm right. Being a beginner is not bad, but there are other forums for beginners, you know.

[General Confusion]

Asurfael - Dhab, doesn't limit the forum to people of any level of ability. It's pretty much free range to anyone interested in looking at or participating in art. Digital, traditional, what have ya. There are people who ruin the forum with inane banter that more or less bogs up posts with senseslessness, and that's why Lumental was born. (to try and limit the childishness that was occuring) by limiting the members to a smaller more serious amount. Sijun, has changed alot since I joined a couple of years ago. Both for the good and the bad. And there are flair ups every now and then that make it less desirable for the "established artists" A swinging membership door would be a good way to describe it.

But in the long run, everyone seems to come back in one way or another, to offer up a look into their work. Sijun, sort of is in the grand scheme of forums, and nice place to visit, if everyones hormones stay somewhat in check, and a level of seriousness dictates the goings on.

But by no means is there any reason to say that someone isn't good enough to post here. I have seen a number of members, increase their abilties tremendously here through the advice that they get from other members. People who frankly, when I first saw them, I said to myself man that work is terrible. But I never discouraged anyone from not trying. And now some of those people who I thought should give up art as a whole, now fill my artists reference file of images that I saved cause I kind of like their work.

So, really, since things aren't clear as to what apocalypse newt's intentions were in posting this image. He/she shouldn't be discouraged for it. Unless of course apocalypse newt, turns out to be one of the jokers here who find enjoyment in wasting others times, then he/she should be dealt with accordingly. But my impression of apocalypse newt's image is that he/she is interested in learning. And that's what seems to happen alot on this forum, people who know, give insight to people who don't.... I wouldn't want your work to be discouraged either, so please don't think that I'm coming down onto you.. I'm just trying to let you see differently, as to how the forum tries to be (at least how I percieve it does)

so apocalypse newt, to hopefully, get this thread into some order... again, I stress, what is your intention in displaying this work. what type of C & C's do you want??? that's important when you do your work, cause everyone else doesn't know what you're thinking to perhaps answer a question that you may feel is obvious, because after reading this thread, it obviously isn't....

and again, Asurfael, by no means is this directed towards you, I apologize if I centered on you, but I felt my comment addressed your comments better...

you can throw stuff at me now, I'l get off the soapbox...

[Fate]

ahhh what the hell Newt join the rest of the talentless newbs (they understand you)

[Asurfael]

General Confusion, I do see your point. I'm not meaning to be harsh, but I just don't see the point in posting work that you haven't really put your mind on. If a newbie posted a piece of art that he/she had worked really hard on, and it would be visible in the piece too, I wouldn't object. But even when the description of the image ends with "for some reason!!!!!!!", I leave with an image in my head that the piece was totally unplanned and not really worked on. When you are good enough and can create a really good image easily, I don't object on speedier drawings. But for us not so talented ones, you should at least really work on an image before posting it.

[LostBoy]

I agree with Asurfael. There should be SOME kind of standard here. I always thought this was a forum for artists (by artist I mean someone who already has a good understanding of the basics) to get tips on honing their skills. I never thought this was a place where people would ask to be taught how to draw. Which is what seems to be happening more and more. People should use judgment in that they should post when they REALLY feel it is necessary to show artwork they have put some thought and effort into.

I haven't posted any of my own artwork here because when I joined, the artwork standard was so high, that I didn't feel I was ready to show my work. I looked forward to being able to post because it would give me a sense of accomplishment. There are many places outside of this forum where people can refine their skills and if they were serious about art they would seek them out or ask questions on where to find them in the Discussion Section.

I guess that's what is kind of insulting about a lot of the "newbs"...they aren't taking their art seriously. It's something cool that's distracting them for a little while and when they tire of it or if they don't get a lot better they'll move on to something else. Whereas quite a number of people here (myself included) take their art very seriously and plan on making a career out of it.

Well those are my thoughts anyway.

[Strawberrysauce]

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but I just don't see the point in posting work that you haven't really put your mind on.

they said it themselves...

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this was just me messin with photoshop figurin out how to work it btw

so, why post it?
hmmm..

[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: shamhead ]

[Asurfael]

LostBoy: My feelings exactly. I thought that the day I'd have the courage to start my own image thread, with a drawing I've worked hard on and that looked good, I would've reached a certain level and I would've accomplished something.

The most blatant newbie I've ever seen on an art forum was this one guy who charged in... He had found the manga page 5 minutes earlier, and in that time he had sketched up the most horrible looking manga picture I've ever seen in some school notebook, and was then asking for C&C.

Now, I'm not saying newt acted exactly like that. But just accepting everybody results in that, especially if the forum has a good name and the newbies know that the artists there are good. Now that manga board is swarmed with 10 year olds who have just found the page and want to show their first drawing to everybody. And I seriously doubt that manga board will be a friendly board with no flame wars and good quality art ever again. 20 good/intermediate artists (the others have left) compared to 1300 newbies just doesn't make a good equation.

Sijun isn't there yet, and might never go there, but all I'm saying that it's a possibility.

Now I'm going too far with this Just a story related to newbies I felt like sharing. Newbies aren't a bad thing... But newbies that don't really care about/work on their art are.

[FSME]

I also agree with LostBoy. I also understand why Newbs (and I mean newbies as in "new to the internet" and forum stuff and such) just don't get it: in a different world in a different forum I used to post pretty much every single picture I did and I didn't get any C&C most of the time. Back then, I didn't understand why.
I think I do now (or at least I'm beginning to). I draw less but more detailed pics nowadays but eventhough I personally consider them better than what I did half a year or five years ago I still don't post them 'cause I don't think they're "worthy".
Many WIP and Finished Gallery posts on this board inspire me what to improve next and everytime I think a picture might be good enough, the next thread comes up proving me wrong.
So I guess what we really need here is a bit more self-control of our own posts.

True, it's not a "learn-how-to-draw"-board, but why not silently improve?

[apocalypse newt]

hmm im not sure what to say - im definitely not here to waste anyone time, am genuinely interested in art esp. digital - i can understand why some of u feel i shouldnt have posted this and wonder what possible crits u could give - i just wanted your general thoughts about a pic like this, i was basically pratice for someone new at photoshop and as pratice how does it fair?

i agree with general confusion for the most part - and it seems to me that there is a very 'anti-newb' feeling here. Its regretable especially since u were all newbs once......

And for those of uwho dont know me----
im male from ireland i'm 18..have never taken any art classes- for me art has been a hobby but that something id like to change -and yes the next time i post something it will be far more detailed and more work will have gone into it..sorry for wasting anyones time- i dont mean to.

[Asurfael]

I'm not sure as to what kind of comments and critiques are you searching for. When a picture has no obvious meaning, it's hard to comment on it. At least for me, that picture just doesn't "ring a bell" or something. My comments would be that try to find an interesting subject, pose, lighting... And draw that as you best can.

Also, I think you should read this. Even if you know how to make the object stand out (that green surely does show) you might want to refine your colouring a bit. Don't know... Read all the possible tutorials, read the digital discussion threads, watch the work of others and try to absorb some of that. For now, it's really hard to give any crits on your work.

[apocalypse newt]

thats asurfael -hope i spelled ur name rite.......thats qutie useful

[LostBoy]

Yes we were all newbs once, but that doesn't mean that we want to come here and look at all newb art. There comes a point when you have to develop self-critisism. When you can do a drawing and just know whether it sucks or not and if it sucks then you have to hit the books and try again. You have to take art classes or get different kinds of books and really learn how to see what you're trying to draw.

Most of the things a newb is looking for in C&C now are really things they should see themselves just by comparing their artwork to other artists. When I was a begining artist no one needed to tell me that the anatomy of my drawings was off because I could go look in a comic book and see that my stuff didn't compare. Shit I still have problems drawing the figure so I just draw figures a lot and it helps, but I'm not going to post them here because frankly no one would want to see them.

Anyway, I have books upon books and tons of websites of artists I like and I look at them and I copy them and I try to see what they do so maybe I can use some of their technique in my own drawings and when I start making my own drawings that I think can really use the knowledge of the people here I'll post them and learn more.

Well, damn I had to go talk to someone and I completely lost my train of thought. So, I'll just leave it here.

[Diruo]

I think the critique he was looking for was of that of a technical sort, being a photoshop newbie and all.

I also find it rather amusing that someone rated me 1, as I've never posted any of my work here.. thanks alot.

[PixHortHiT]

Gee, this turned out to be a boring thread..

[Lunatique]

I like it.

[apocalypse newt]

got it in one PixHortHiT ...


and thanks lunatique.. although ive started to hate this pic

[Hyptosis]

heh, for green lightning with no purpose I think it is pretty killer, just make it jolting into some guy's eye, then it'd be better! =] Or frying some rich dudes car, or popping the president on the ass. *shrugs*

[FSME]

Let's do a "senseless pictures" threat!!!

[toiletPhish]

why do a thread when you can do a threat!!!!!???
bump

[pixtur]

Hi newt...

I really feel sorry for most of what I read here. I know that it must be quite frustrating. And your are right: most of the people at sijun were once beginners.
I personally got some rules for posting at sijun:

1. Only post 10 % of what you draw (do the rest to the homepage).
2. If you are not sure, if it is good enough, but you want to get c&c anyway, post it under work in progress. You will not get comments like those there.
3. Ask precise questions regarding to your images esp at fronts you're fighting at.

Don't stop drawing. Don't stop posting. Just think a moment before posting something.

tom
sorry for bad english

http://www.pixtur.de/

[Superbug]

sigh.
Maybe you should look at real lightning, just for reference ya knows?