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vebjorn
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 2:55 pm     Reply with quote
Hiya...
Uncertain about this one, there is something lacking...just don`t seem to get see it....

Ok.I`ll take all the pointers I can get, but I feel I atleast need to add mroe contrast...

-Veb
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Tinusch
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 3:15 pm     Reply with quote
I agree, there's definitely something lacking... I can't really pinpoint what it is, but it just looks a little sloppier and less polished than your usual style... Looks more like PS than Painter, actually, did you switch? Well it's looking good, but there's something just not quite right about it...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 3:19 pm     Reply with quote
Wow man, thats awesome... If i were gay, i'd worship you!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 3:20 pm     Reply with quote
Veb long time since I posted here. Heh.. too much artist opinion.

Well it looks good work but...

I think the problem is you have a harsh light on her hair, a harsh light in the background, and on her sleeve. I think this causes some conflict of interest.

I think lessen the light on the top of her hair and add it to the face.. Maybe I'll play with this and see what I can do.

Good work at any rate.. you might also add more texture to background (looks slightly cheap)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 3:56 pm     Reply with quote
Jeez, I just love seeing your stuff, so inspirational, I cannot find anything wrong and I if I could I wouldn't mention it!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:00 pm     Reply with quote
very nice... i like it a lot. i think the arms need a little work.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:20 pm     Reply with quote
great shading colors etc.
Dont have a feeling sumthing is missing.
Its the over all compistion that doesnt feel right.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:44 pm     Reply with quote
looks good!!

I love that background.. it's soo damn moody!!
I think her staring eyes and the expression on her face bothers me.. she seems to be looking out into nothing, thinking nothing, with angry eyebrows.. eehhh.
forget it.

[ December 22, 2001: Message edited by: DiXter ]
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 4:52 pm     Reply with quote
her skins too bright fot that back lighting. Run a large black (dark dark blue) brush with a low opacity over her skin. I think it makes it look better.

[ December 22, 2001: Message edited by: Switch ]
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 5:03 pm     Reply with quote


Ok here is my hacked version. You may like your original better. I just tried to give general idea of how to make it better.

The background could use some more contrast (not too much tho), details, and cleaning.

But anyway.. what I did was make canvas bigger, reduced highlight on hair, added hightlights for bones, added a few reflected lights, reduced strong diagnol composition lights, added lights to move eye down image...

I tried to integrate some of the blue (local) color into the girl and to eyes as well..
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 5:21 pm     Reply with quote
I say add more Moon!! The Moon rules!!!!!
So I'd definately have to disagree whith light

Sukhoi
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 5:51 pm     Reply with quote
I think that this piece is really cool, and looks great. Though I think the fingers on her right hand kinda bother me and also her eyes maybe should be pointed at the viewer. Also, maybe the mouth should be closed, it adds a wierd aspect to her face being open, I dunno, it just bothers me. Great piece though, and I like the moon, I say leave it in
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 8:06 pm     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 10:07 pm     Reply with quote
I like the original, the focus and detail are *muh*. Though I don't think there is anything is missing, I think it is just that there is some elements missing for balance. The eye sepends all of it's time in the center and upper left. To move the eye along more to the right I would add just a smign' of light twinkle to the tree/foliage on the right of the large tree trunk.

JA
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2001 10:26 pm     Reply with quote
That's a very moody and dramatic picture, vebjorn! The trees in the background and the light seeping through them make the scene look so rich! She looks awesome in that spiked armour and that belts she's wearing has some wonderful detail in it. Hey! One of her nipples is showing, too! Very cheeky, tsk tsk!

I've got some minor suggestions on anatomy:

In my mediocre paint-over, I've added a ridge for the rib-cage, hilites for the thigh muscles and knees and I've tried to give her a more natural human hand. The way her fingers are spread out on her left hand there makes them look a little like narrow turnips. I guess you want them to be look like they have long sharp nails, though.

Here's a good hand drawing tutorial that shows the ideal proportions for fingers:
Handtut
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vebjorn
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2001 5:02 am     Reply with quote
wow, thanks, All these comments where damn inspirational and helpful! I`ll post a I`m kinda stuck artwise these days, don`t really have "the feel"...spent alot of time making 11 BW images for a D&D module...I`ll post them when I`m allowed..
and playing too much games, like silent hill2(ugh)....and various Gamecube games(If you like Starwars, the gc rogue leader game is simply stunning)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2001 5:16 am     Reply with quote
great, great picture vebjorn...

about your problem:
maybe a more realistic face? her face is great, but not with the same style of the rest of the picture, its more cartoony. Change the face style, and lets see whats happen.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2001 6:29 am     Reply with quote
helllll... for me, this girl just has a lack of reality...
very gothi, very athmospheric. i love the colors in that picture!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2001 6:50 am     Reply with quote
the only thing that bothers me about the pic is her right arm and hand.. it doesn't flow with her body.. Its too stiff and her hand isn't natural looking... I feel her index finger on the right hand should have more detail compared to the other fingers and make the fingers relaxed. Oh and maybe the belly is off.. and her legs should probably be a little less rigid.

But all in all I say its better then I could do and it looks good.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2001 8:46 am     Reply with quote
I like the colours, but the hands are a bit too big for a woman in my opinion.
Sincerely,
kim Zoll
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vebjorn
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:17 am     Reply with quote
Fellipe...I think you`re right. It kinda does not fit the rest


-Veb
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2001 3:27 pm     Reply with quote
Hi Veb nice to see you back!

I think that this image is real nice and background is especialy interesting.
The only crits that I realy want to stress is that the figure dosen't look very grounded and that she needs to have knees. The leg on the right is a over to far and she looks like she is goint to fall over.

Here is my reapaint:http://www.geocities.com/rockchris3d/gothbabe_repaint.jpg
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