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Death Dealer
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:04 pm     Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:13 pm     Reply with quote
Craig Mullins! Craig Mullins! No, just kidding. Sorry. Bad joke. I very much like the sense of motion you've got here, with the curve of the tail and the reaching hands. The background is also very well done.

The only small criticism I would make is that the cliffs (?) in the background look very odd, indeed. Their thinness and the way they lean with no apparent means of support disturbs me.

Overall, though, it works. Jolly good show, and so forth.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:14 pm     Reply with quote
and then the clouds parted ..behold the second coming ..
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:19 pm     Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:24 pm     Reply with quote
Very nice piece! I like the palette and the sense of atmospheric perspective you've got going on. One small suggestion w/b to sharpen the f/g rock a little so that it pops into the f/g, and attachs to the beast. Right now it seems too soft, while the beast is in sharper focus.

Nice piece though--I dig the technique
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:25 pm     Reply with quote
You've definitely got nice detailing, and your colors have improved lately . . . but your lighting is confusing me.

If this is meant to be night time, lit by the moon, then there's way too much ambient light bouncing around, and the moon seems to0 dim to be having much of an illuminative effect on anything.

The lighting on the rocks and trees doesn't seem to match that of the creature . . . those items appear lit frontally, whereas the critter seems like he's getting warm sunlight from the rear right, which would be impossible since the moon is full (the sun has to be in opposition to the moon in order for it to be full).

Cool details, cool critter, confusing lighting.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:29 pm     Reply with quote
First of all lets clear up the Moon issue, I saw the Moon the other day at 9;00 in the morning and the sun was bright as hell, so it is true that the sun and moon can be out at the same time...

The rock slabs in the background is an old volcano that has eroded over millions of years leaving its broken shell behind.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:31 pm     Reply with quote
Correct, but they can't be on the same side of the sky.

The moon is lit by the sun, after all.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:34 pm     Reply with quote
Nice man, awesome to see the final project =D hehe i liked seeing it progress in the conept forums =D good stuff man, awesome works
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Death Dealer
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:35 pm     Reply with quote
That,s true, so that mens that if i make the moon crested the prob will be solved
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:40 pm     Reply with quote
well they aren't the light source seems to be on the right-front but the moon is in the background

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:42 pm     Reply with quote
Wait a minute,..,,,. I just realized. I don't really care if the light is scientifically correct or not just so the image looks good, whew I just about got caught in the nitpicking trap.

Not that I don't appreciate the pointers..


Ps if the moon is a bad idea I will take it out.....

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 3:49 pm     Reply with quote
Sometimes knitpicking is good . . . personally, I think if you made the moon crescent-shaped, you'd remove the connection between it and the illumination of the scene, and would therefore end up with a scene that reads more immediately as a daylit one.

Its still a strong piece either way.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 4:13 pm     Reply with quote
WOW!!
Sweeeeeeeet!!
I love this! The colours are so nice to look at and the datails! just wow.. Must have taken a while to finish, huh.



One little thingie for crit though .. May already been said, but..
The shadow of the monster hits the rock underneith him in a differnt angle then it should.. light seems to come from the right side, that would make the shadow strike more to the left.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 5:02 pm     Reply with quote
i like it very well but i�m a bit irritated about the pose(?) of his claws. at least his pretty nails will be broken in the next 1/10 sec.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:21 pm     Reply with quote
The detail is insane !!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 8:06 pm     Reply with quote
nice work on the picture. i think the creature would look a bit more plausible to me if it had thumb claws, in the same spot you find on dinosaurs.

just a thought.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 8:31 pm     Reply with quote
I just wish crage would stop in and say hi....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 9:12 pm     Reply with quote
Very nice... and you are right about not mitpicking about the light. I think your use of light is suberb and very engaging.

I love the shadow in your drawing...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:14 pm     Reply with quote
Hey DD,

Just wanted to compliment you on your painting. Impressive work! I think my favourite part is the way the tail becomes less detailed as it trails off in the distance.

No comments on the anatomy for this one. :P
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:15 pm     Reply with quote
Bolder colors bolder colors yah yah yah! *Anthony does the bold color dance*
I do the mid tones thing too, wish I didn't. The thing about nit picking is that if you get the physics of light engrained in your head then it's natural and looks good. Ala Spoogey. Your detail is wonderful, did you ever elaborate on if you do anything special for that? Keep it up, don't stop posting.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:28 pm     Reply with quote
I think people want to pick this apart because you said in the begining "I got destroyed with negative comments last time"

I think this is DAMN AWASOME!!!! I do think that the moon in the background is a bad idea though. I dont think its wrong for the moon to be out during the day, Ive seen this mayself....but the light is comming from a sharp right angle above like its almost noon. But the moon is on the right and its a full moon too.

The moon only shows opposite sides of the light (sense it gets it light from the sun) so if the moon was lit like this, it wouldnt even be in the scene (do you know what I am saying?)

Other than that, I think everytying is great!!! Dont listen to the shadow being wrong or rocks in the background comments. They work great for the image.

I really like you character designs as well. I have been watching your poasts recently and I am very impressed with your work!

Keep em comming, I want to see more!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 2:23 am     Reply with quote
You can always critisize things no matter how good they are all I wanna say is you got some talent there......I think your work is awesome.

Is the black and white drawing pencil or pen?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 7:24 am     Reply with quote
Thanks guys I really do appreciate the crits I do understand the imporntants of that.

I think I will take out the moon and replace it with some interesting clouds, also I'm going to ad some sharper detail to the rock in the foreground sense it is the closest thing to the foreground. See all of these things were brought to my attention buy crits....http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/ubb/wink.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 11:49 am     Reply with quote
Awww.... the moon looks so neat though! I always thought it looked very cool to see the moon in the middle of the day.

This image is really awesome. I love all the little speckledy brushes in the background. Beautiful colors, not over-saturated and under-saturated just enough to convey the hazy bright feeling of early afternoon. I think it's perfect to be honest
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 11:55 am     Reply with quote
(and just for the record... who said this was earth anyway? Maybe there are 6 moons as this is just one of them? Sometimes it's no fun to get overly technical... the image looks great :P)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 2:22 pm     Reply with quote
Thanks Mortis I agree....
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 10:29 pm     Reply with quote
Very "tight" (the art slang not the rap one). Love the atmospheric perspective and the color interaction.

A few crits:

The shadow on the rock doesn't match the lighting from the background trees.

Also, i want to logically see the head as the focal point, but my eye just doesn't want to rest on it. I think if you just sharpend up the shadowing on just the head it may make it stick. Otherwise, compositionally it works great, if i squint i move right to the head.

So i hope this helps and I really just blown away otherwise. Thx for sharing.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 10:32 pm     Reply with quote
okay i didn't read Robert's post until after i did post. so sue me... LOL. but i still do think my other suggestion is valid. Although you really should just leave it alone, it stands well just the way it is.

Can't give it up though, something about the head just messes with how it flows. Someone for God's sake tell me I'm nuts!


Still love it to death though... (cough, pun intended).

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2001 11:08 pm     Reply with quote
I think the alien beast is great, but why did you even bother with the background. It really spoils the image of the beast. The beast is one of the best paintings I've seen in a while. I think you should change the background to a more organic, alien look. As for the alien, I love the way you gave detail to the anatomy of the beast. The lighting for the alien is great too and the background just spoils it really. Although, don't get me wrong I think its all well painted. Overall, I think you did a great job.
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