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Frosted Flame · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 1:06 pm

You did a wonderful job tracing and smudging. Congrats! :P

Sigh.

chip_artz · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:22 pm

i actually spent 4 days on this...and you're gonna tell me i traced this. i am not cybertoker2000. and i won't get mad @ u for complimenting my hard work.

Frosted Flame · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 6:50 pm

Huh? You did trace it. It isn't a point to be argued.

You're going to tell me you "eyeballed" the proportions EXACTLY? Impossible. The absence of any fluid/crisp brushstrokes and the obvious smudging just helps solidify the fact even moreso.

What the hell is with this new image? It looks smudged and traced as well. The difference is, I have no idea who the hell that is so I can't find the original you traced from.

Give it up... bet yet, don't give it up. Let's see some progress pics! I for one would be extremely interested to see how you can recreate the human figure with such exacting accuracy. :P

Robert Ashley · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 7:34 pm

I think he did more than just a blur frosted...I agree that he used the original as a template...but if you look at the jordan picture, the colors are not the same. He has reflections of lights and colors that are not in the original pic. Look at the all the greens and reds on jordans right arm and right leg. Look at how brown jordan is in the painting...look how much darker he is in the picture

Although, I guess he wouldnt have been flamed at all if he did something like change the lighting completely or change the pose slightly.

Anyway keep at it Chip. I guess start drawing things from scratch or you will not be taken seriously here.

Frosted Flame · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:06 pm

Hey Rob,

I attributed the different skin tones to the fact that you can't see any of the subtle colours in the original pic (because of bad lighting, and the fact that it's tiny).

Take a look at the basketball... why is there a BLOCK of colour (dark brown in the middle)? I've never seen a brush stroke that looked like that. Look at the ribbon on his right shoulder, why is there a big blurry ball in the middle of it? The outline of the figure is very sharp, but all the strokes are smudgy and blurry. Also, if you zoom in, you can see JPG artifacts all over the place.

Am I insane here guys? Is anyone WITH me on this? :/

Poprocksz · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:06 pm

I'm sorry....
But the Micheal Jordan pic is a blatent
trace and blur-over.

it is too fake.

Malachi Maloney · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:50 pm

I think it's sad that Chip had to try and slander my name in a thread that I hadn't even commented in. Pretty pathetic.

Get your mind off me and on your own work Chip. Because from what I can see, you need a lot of help in that department.

You can turn your flame on Chip, but I won't add one more reply to this thread. So you're wasting your time.

Tooda-loo,
MDM (CT2001)

chip_artz · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:16 am

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Dryfire · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:25 am

Hey man, thats pretty nice! Nice glossy look to his skin like he's really working out there. Hmm you might wanna chaneg the right land fingers a bit though.. they look like distorted.

LI .... hell yeah

chip_artz · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:35 am

thanx and yeah...you're right. i couldn't see it good enough. BTW here's the ref pic.

jcFIG · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:48 am

Yeah, what he said. Why do you have this ongoing issue with cybertoker? Does his existence in any way threaten you or are you jealous or what is it? About your work, if your going to use photo reference it should be just that, reference. Use the reference as a springboard but don't copy it. Paint Jordan doing something else only using the photo to get his costume or face right. That is the reason you're getting so much negative criticsm. If you want art critiques please post some of your own drawings so people can see how well you draw, not how well you know how to use the blur tool in Photoshop. I also agree with what Frosted Flame said. Goodbye.

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chip_artz · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:22 am

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dr . bang · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 1:41 am

tree, grass

FatPenguin · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:21 am

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.......

isn't ForstedFlame Mongoose?

what does irony mean?

Frosted Flame · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:17 am

Hahah, and this new pic of yours isn't anywhere close to the Michael Jordan image. Your anatomy is flawed in every single aspect. You just dig yourself deeper with every dishonest reply.

Fat Penguin, what does 3+ years ago mean? I know it's a long time ago, you must've been what, 4?

toast! · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:14 am

hummm , the new "smart blur" of photoshop 6 is a cool thing , don't you think chip_artz ?

I can recognize that filter ten miles away

Take the small pic, add the filter smart blur in ps6 and you obtain exactly the same "strokes" and blur effects as your top pic, strange no ?

well maybe you have played with colour retouches and add a few strokes in the face but there is a step in taking the pic as a reference and just add some filters upon it. It's ok when people say it (it requires some talent to do that) but the fact is you lied frome the begining ..

StrangeFate · member Member # Joined: 20 Feb 2000 Posts: 199

I'm afraid frosted flame is right.
And like he said, those last pics speak against you.
And those trees, 5 year old's do that stuff.

lemme quote:
'Hmm you might wanna chaneg the right land fingers a bit though.. they look like distorted.'

'thanx and yeah...you're right. i couldn't see it good enough.'

WOW!
3 years as 'pro' *portrait* (how old are you again, 22!?) artist and you weren't 'talented' enough to fix a damn hand ?

immi · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:53 am

Ha ha...Pot calling the kettle black or what?

-not you strangefate

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Captain Obvious · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 2:50 pm

I'm probably way out of my element here (since I don't really care about tracing and I don't use photoshop so filters are an alien concept to me) but just to play devil's advocate, I'd like to point out that one can render anatomy accurately when one still relies on tracing for other parts. Here are two pictures (reference and mine) for a drawing board project over at Shane Glines' site. I traced the outline and some facial features (fingers too) because I'm weak in those areas (not easy to do without photoshop one may suppose

) but the rest (shading etc) is obviously my own. Now, I agree that this Jordan picture has the appearance of a tracing at every step of the way but just to toss a credible example into the mix, I'd like to say both tracing and real work can put together a final result that doesn't look like a rip-off...

jcFIG · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:41 pm

Perfect example of using the photo-reference as a springboard or jumping-off point. Chip artz please do us all a favor and take notes.

Frosted Flame · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:07 pm

Agreed. You handled the medium with class Captain, which is exactly opposite to what Chip ended up acheiving. What you did with your piece took actual skill and talent, and not just extensive knowledge of blur and smudge effects. You obviously have a lot of underlying knowledge in regards to light/shadow/anatomy/etc/etc.. In addition to all of that, you didn't end up with a carbon copy of the original. You definitely added a lot of your own ideas, which makes it ultimately much more credible.

faustgfx · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:23 pm

why doesn't frosted flame use the nick 'mongoose' anymore anyway?

chip_artz · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:35 pm

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immi · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:35 pm

Because Frosted Flame is sooo much cooler and hipper! Duh! Get with it Fausty...

I mean, what else could it be?

jcFIG · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:35 am

quote:
Originally posted by chip_artz:
boo! you shouldn't even be talkin your art sucks...why don't you go buy some talent all your shyt looks the same...ugly...so next time someone needs some advice why don't you think about your talent and skip it. j/k

WAAA,WAAA!-my name is chip_artz and I want my mommy. Did I strike a nerve their chip

?-It's okay

, one day you'll realize how right we all are for telling you to learn how to draw and stop with this Photoshop smudging nonsense you call "portrait art".

Lhadatto · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:11 pm

What's that on your back, chipz? Oh, the wall.

Vesuvius · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:36 pm

quote:
Originally posted by chip_artz:
boo! you shouldn't even be talkin your art sucks...why don't you go buy some talent all your shyt looks the same...ugly...so next time someone needs some advice why don't you think about your talent and skip it. j/k

go fuck yourself shit-for-brains. who are you to talk? the only crap, and I do mean crap, that you've posted has either been so blatant a filter rape as to not be art, or looks worse than shit I did in middle school. JCFIG's art is a lot better than yours, although at points he could use improving, like most of us. however he isn't lying or blatantly insulting. what he said was constructive. and do you think that adding j/k at the end of your statement will somehow make us think "oh he was just joking around with all the petty hateful insults. HA HA"? it just shows you for a piece of shit who's not willing to acknowledge that drawing is something that needs practice, dedication, skill, and an ability to take criticism. none of which are things you have or can do.

Frosted Flame · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:04 pm

Do people throw random pieces of garbage at you when you walk the streets, immi? I mean, looking like the little troll that you are I'd think people would be compelled to throw their waste at you. Maybe that explains your disgruntled attitude.

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StrangeFate · member Member # Joined: 20 Feb 2000 Posts: 199

anyone remembers Binder ? This thread deserves it.

Shiro_tengu · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2001 8:23 pm

you guys really really are embarrassing. can't you guys behave?

And Clip artz - you have done some really nice work.