[taltin traenenkind]

[ October 20, 2001: Message edited by: taltin traenenkind ]

[edible snowman]

dont post pictures of scibbled on naked little girls tied to chairs without warning us in the topic. if someone was around when i opened this i would have been fucked.

[taltin traenenkind]

sorry

[GPoodle]

Yeah, there isnt really anything artistic about that. Your scribbling on adolsence picture.

[taltin traenenkind]

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Yeah, there isnt really anything artistic about that

i think there is
one aspekt of art is to create atmosphere and this is the main aspekt for me
and i damn hate beeing fucked for my themes
huh hitler is bad
nekrophilie is bad
paedophilie is bad
argh
damn what on earth is NOT bad

[Quasar]

im all about artistic freedom but I thyink you need to get some mental help

[horstenpeter]

Well all those things are bad. (Hitler etc.)
But that sure isn't a reason not to deal with them in art. Even the master painters dealt with those subjects. It is IMHO even important to deal with those things, because ignoring problems doesn't solve them.

That aside, I don`t think this is the best I've seen of you so far. I mean, it's basically a photo with some filters over it and some black lines scribbled all over the place. Not technically great, and the result doesn't even attract me (or disgust me either) at all.

[Vesuvius]

what master painter dealt with necrophilia?

[horstenpeter]

I'm not talking about master painters like Rembrandt or Van Gogh. Rather about the painters of the 20th century. I can't name a painter that has dealt with necrophilia but you know as well as I do that 20th century painters didn't shun any subject at all.

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I'm not endorsing taltin's art. I don't actually like it (not that I liked photomanip to start with). I don't think he deals with his subject matter in a way that helps the world or conveys a useful meaning
about it.
I'm simply wondering why everyone starts yelling about how unappropriate it is to post an artwork featuring Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, rape, murder or whatever. Basically anything else than landscapes, heroes or love pictures.
The world isn't all pleasant and neither is art.
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[ October 20, 2001: Message edited by: horstenpeter ]

[Vesuvius]

I'd hardly say any master dealt with it, just because someone looking for shock value in recent years may have.
and I think that this 'art' is pretty fucking pretentious. and requires very little skill. take a photo at a dramatic angle of something 'controversial', desaturate it, scribble on the edges, write some title on it in a gothic text. viola. wow, how masterful. maybe I should do that with some other shocking and therefore worthwhile topics like 'two fatties having sex' or 'corpse in a chalk outline', if I do it in black and white with scribbles, it's assuredly moody, controversial, and meaningful

[horstenpeter]

Read my edit to my post above, should explain my view on photomanip.

Interesting point about the shock value thing. I guess some painters have done that, doing shocking art with the sole goal to stand out from the mass and thus get attention & money. I thought about that when seeing the film "Man Bites Dog", which features anal rapes and other sick shit.
It's hard to draw a line though. And I'm not sure what to think of it.
Every new generation broke the laws of the generation before it, and the older generation thought it would doom the world....but nothing happened. Still I think that somewhere the point will be reached when the world really slides into destruction if we don't pay attention. I'm not sure as to how to react to that though.

Doing things the right way in life is hard. Everybody is going to make some mistakes in his life. You can only try to avoid it, but sometimes you will fail.

Going to sleep now.

[ October 20, 2001: Message edited by: horstenpeter ]

[Vesuvius]

took me under 2 minutes, if I had my wacom working (which I don't) the scribbles would have been better, but I did it with mouse and a random photo.

[Giant Hamster]

Just because someone draws pedophillia, does not make him a pedophile.

Landscapes suck.
Knights Suck.
Pin-up suck.

Do something different for a change. He did, maybe not very well, but atleast he has more balls(sense/strive) than the rest of you.

[Icannon]

knights rule, buddy. i dont go for this art, but i dont shun it either. all i have to say is that taltin posts a lot. maybe he should read the rules before posting like such a maniac and showing his complete ignorance by not warning people of the content in his images. taltin, i dont mean complete disrespect to you, but smartin the hell up.

[gekitsu]

please stop flaming...

i like some aspects of taltin's pictures. the athmosphere is really great. supressing, haunting... just as negative as a picture like that has to have.
it's no matter if it's photomanip or not... art is da vinci and van gogh, dali and hopper, rodin and beuys. art isn't just sweet world, funny world.

keep em comming, taltin, i like these pics

[taltin traenenkind]

thank you very much

[Ahcri]

To me, this girl doesn't look like she is even in her adolesence yet. I can't believe how people are being so close minded. Do you feel bad too when you see a little girl wearing nothing but a diaper in a diaper commercial? All I want to say is that it doesn't seem erotic to me, and I quite like this one too among all of your other photomanipulations.

[Vesuvius]

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Originally posted by Ahcri:
To me, this girl doesn't look like she is even in her adolesence yet. I can't believe how people are being so close minded. Do you feel bad too when you see a little girl wearing nothing but a diaper in a diaper commercial? All I want to say is that it doesn't seem erotic to me, and I quite like this one too among all of your other photomanipulations.

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I'm not being close minded, if you bothered to read my crits rather than assume. I think that I really don't give a rats ass either way about the subject, I think the piece is pretentious and required no skill to make.

[Ahcri]

Fine, I'm just telling what I think, not defending this piece.

[LazRath]

taltin, you have chosen a very touchy subject with this piece but not necassarily a bad one

if you want to do stuff similiar to this i'd suggest putting the effort out to draw/paint your subjects and then do the photo manip

i'd suggest approaching it from a more correct direction by studying anatomy and doing lots of drawing/painting

{edit: bah!...grammar and such}

[ October 21, 2001: Message edited by: LazRath ]

[Tinusch]

You won't get by on shock value alone. If you want it to have impact, think of the presentation rather than just the content.

[Tinusch]

And please don't try to act like you see nothing wrong with it, and everyone else is oversenstive for being offended. You chose a touchy subject, and you obviously knew that, otherwise you would have put some more work into the presentation rather than relying on the straightforward picture to explain itself, with little modification. You did this to shock people, and that's what happened.

[sirstudlymodugal]

Was the image changed, or is it as it was originally posted. It's very uninteresting to me and I really don't understand everyone's reaction to it. I would have thought it would have gotten no posts. Is all of this because it is showing a young girl's nipples? Is she tied to a chair as some are saying? Am I not seeing something?

Well critically I can say the approach to this kind of photo manipulation IS very formulaic, which makes it very boring. You should push yourself much much more. Don't take any kind of controversy here as a sign that you are doing something...difficult or challenging. Don't drop a christ figurine in pee or film yourself masturbating, it says more about one's character these days then making any kind of a social statment. Mostly that you are an uninteresting person without any original concepts.

sirstudly

[Poxin]

Not only has taltin created somthing no one else would (thus astablishing it as somewhat original) But hes managed to spark the insecuritys that so many of you have.

Touchy subject? You people see a topless child with a grundgy style over top and you get offended? Do you people live in a 50's sitcom or somthing? You better hope that nothing real ever happens to you in your lives or your gonna have some seriouse problems. Not to mention theres nothing suggestive about this picture at all. What you see is all in your head. Which makes me wonder if it's the art that's the problem our your imaginations.

If anything we should be worried about in this world it's the enforcment of more rules and guidlines on artistic expression

Smoke a joint and turn off your tv. You people need to take a break and realize reality.

[eric_morrell]

I wanna see the original photo and the copyright if there is one. I'm personally sick of the homemade andy warhols out there trying to get credit for the brilliance of a photographer. I'm not saying that you didn't take this picture. You might be a sicko who takes pictures of little girls. But I am saying that you didn't take a picture of hitler and I want to see the originals next time you go posting. Most people have the courtesy to post there photo refs why not you? Then we will see if you are an artist or rather an arts and crafts person.

[digiGen]

I for one like this picture for the sole reason, as others have stated, that it urks people so much.

It's really amusing. People are offended, however, they won't even stand by this. Instead they argue that the picture is poorly done, and that this is why they go off.

Well, in that case gentlemen - why do other poorly done pictures around here not get the same attention?

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Another note: I'm not into photomanip myself, but if I were, I would be offended to be called an 'arts and crafts' person, in a derogatory manner, for using pictures I didn't necessarily take myself.

It's wrong to use copyrighted material, yes, but there is a world of public domain out there.
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Nothing more to be said that hasn't been said already..

[galen]

Why are her eyes scratched out? What is she not supposed to be seeing? It appears the scribbling is completely random and without thought...

Anyways, I guess this is an ok piece. The subject matter is fine in and of itself, but the context you've put it in is highly controversial so I guess it's art for the sake of shock...

BTW, what's with all this replacing "c's" with "k's"??? I see a lot of that in the ever so trendy nu-design sites....

[BooMSticK]

SirStudly speaks wisdom. This form of 'art' has to be pushed alot further to be accepted AS art. I suggest you take a good long look at others doing these kind of stuff. Dave Mckeen springs to mind for one.
To me it seems that you have to combine and express tension with multple elements before this kind of manipulation will start to work.
Taking a image that could be downloaded anywhere on the 'n et and addding filters over it is not art. (not in my book anyway). Its so simple that i believe everyone here could do it. Take the same picture and do a painting based on that same picture will get you much wider recoqnition because it takes much more dedication and skill than simply adding filters. I want to be able to see the motion, dedication and skill steaming from a picture before I'll aprove it with my 'thats art' stamp. Sorry, but that's my honest opinion.

Don't limit your self with filters. Paint or even warp these things. Do anything. Show us your skills! Hope this makes sense and even help abit.
,Boom

[cybertoker2001]

"Smoke a joint and turn off your tv. You people need to take a break and realize reality." -POXIN

**TV off. Joint lit.**


CT2001

[toast!]

i agree Tinusch, it s just cheap to take a provocant subject, and build a few things around and call it art; the problem is not the subject itself but the fact you haven't bring anything interesting in the presentation; it's full of clich�s ... you can do better dude .. you have chosen a different subject but it doesn t mean you have been original and made different work from the others.