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Siftland
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 1:42 am     Reply with quote
Yeah...Here is my latest piece. Hopefully, you will like it. If not, that's cool too. Still pretty green at digital, but I love it.



Comments and crits would be much appreciated.

Good to see Sijun back.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 1:55 am     Reply with quote
Hey, that's pretty cool. Question: if the primary light source is the lantern, and that is close to the ground, shouldn't there be some kind of shadow on that back wall from the large skull?

-Pat
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 3:25 am     Reply with quote
Hey,

God, if only you had told me this is what you could do back in May...Oh well. Smokin
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:19 am     Reply with quote
the first thing that leaps to my eye (not that that means much, but anyway...); dude on the left's head lamp, I'd say, shoots right past the other guy, iluminating mainly his backpack and pickaxe handle. At least that's how the composition reads at first glance to me (not sure why sadly). His left foot is also a little strange, but it's not serious.
Dude on the right looks kinda awkward generally; weight looks funny. Also looks like they width of the pack cramped the artist rather than the man he's drawing, if you follow me.
I also think the white is over used a touch, particularly without a lot of other subtle values to offset it around the cave. 'Course, it depends what look you're after.

That said, I really like this picture a hell of a lot.
Sift style goes slick. Very nice.

-edit- I just thought of something. The guy on the right; his right leg is too well lit for the pose, unless his arm is nearly ninty degrees to his torso or 180 (right infront or right beside him). His left leg might also be supposed to be casting a shadow across his right leg, but I'm not certain.
Maybe I'm nuts, I dunno. Kudos anyway

[ October 05, 2001: Message edited by: Muzman ]
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Siftland
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:03 pm     Reply with quote
Pat: Thanks. The wall was the last thing I did...It should have a shadow there, yes.

dreddawg: I showed you all my latest stuff in May. I guess I've...er...gotten better?...maybe...hehe.

Muzman: Very good critiques. Thank you! The light from the helmet is sort of a loose cannon. I've spotted several things wrong with the lighting in the piece...such as what you mentioned. And also the fact that the beam of light should technically extend past the guy on the right (I didn't do that because I thought it would take the viewer's eye away...I'm brilliant!...er...okay. Lousy excuse).

I'm not following you on the backpack statement...hehe. I'm slow. Do you mean that is doesn't seem heavy, or doesn't look like it's weighing him down? I can see that.

There are problems with the drawing, I know. But actually, I very rarely draw full figures, much less two (well, even if parts are veiled/in shadow), so this is a tad ambitious for me. I'll get better.

As for overuse of white. I'm so very guilty. I use black and white like a madman. I'll try to lay off in the future (but I will defitely miss them...hehe).

I'm glad you still dig it after all that. I'm also glad you think it has retained my style...rockin'.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2001 10:06 am     Reply with quote
heh, it's always a toss up; critique first, praise after or praise first, critique after. It's not a lot of critique really. Mostly confused verbage.

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure I know what I mean about the backpack either. It seems to be shoulder width, rather than torso width, which strikes me as odd. But my 19th century backpack experience is limited Basically I'm trying to figure out why the guy on the right seems a little flat. It's a lighting and perspective thing more than likely (hey, isn't everything?), but what exactly I don't know. If I wasn't such a hack I could probably tell you.
Not to worry.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2001 8:49 pm     Reply with quote
Theres some funky distortion going with the perception and lighting, there. I do however, like the concept. Keep em coming.

And Muz, why arent you posting anything these days? Dont give me the too busy routine. You know how I get.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 1:11 pm     Reply with quote
It seems that the kneeling m�ner's left hand has a major thumb problem.
The skull is nice.
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Siftland
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2001 8:39 pm     Reply with quote
I changed some minor stuff on the piece...see if it looks abit better.

Shaded: Are you talking huge problems that prevent you from liking the image?...or just technical stuff I didn't nail quite right? Glad you like the concept though.

laslauk: Yeah. I noticed that "thumb" too...it's not his thumb, just looked weird. I tried to fix it, See if it looks better or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2001 3:29 pm     Reply with quote
I'm gonna bump this up because this piece just got ripped to shreds by my illustration teacher and I have gotten many many negative comments about it. In fact, I'd say I've only talked with two people who genuinely liked it. Now...I don't think it's that bad, is it?

...I may be fishing for compliments, but damn...People are making me think I really really suck lately.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2001 4:29 pm     Reply with quote
I think the overall construction of the pic is very solid, ie. the shapes and overall composition. However, the light casted in the center of the pic is very muddied and lost, and many edges that should be sharp aren't. I just think you need some hard, clean edges in some spots to emphasize the shapes you have there. Once you do that, it should look even better. Good work man.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2001 4:31 pm     Reply with quote
Very nice picture, looks like it is telling a story and was shot as a particular scene. Lovely feeling, I dig the colours. I agree with the lighting crit, would be neaatt if there's some light reflection on the pick-axe . Other than that, I really like this piece . Good job .
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