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faustgfx · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 1:02 pm

could have something to do with netscape's suck factor.

another nail to their nads - lacking cookie handling.

dr . bang · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 1:30 pm

hmmm. i quit using netscape 3 years ago. Any reason why you're still using it?

faustgfx · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 1:48 pm

same here. i dig browsers that even PRETEND to act according to STANDARDS.

Mezoic · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 2:23 pm

Netscape blows meaty chunks. I try not to rant on things a lot, but I can't help myself when it comes to that shitty piece of an excuse that calls itself a web-browser.

Pat · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 4:41 pm

Looks like it was a cookie issue. Apparently I'd turned them off by accident and that caused my strife.

It's weird you people don't like Netscape. In my experience, Explorer is far less html compliant and uses lots of proprietary commands. It also crashes more often than Netscape too.

The reason I use Netscape is because I like being able to go through the cache to save .swf and .mov files on occasion. Can't do that with Explorer's wafer crap.

Frankly, both browsers bite in one way or another --I'm just using the lesser of the two evils for whatever task is at hand. For instance, on Sijun when I post, Explorer opens a new frame for me to review the thread. Netscape just displays them on the same page. That's easier for me to review.

-Pat

Duran · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 5:01 pm

Having done a bit of HTML coding, I would just like to say calling netscape more "HTML compliant" is a complete joke. The number of times I have to make adjustments because of dumb stuff in netscape is completely unacceptable, and the huge variations between netscape 6 (the laughing stock of the industry) and netscape 4.7 are terrible (and often both are wrong in incredably different ways). I just wound up taking out all the effects of one of my websites and making all netscape browsers route to that directory. Thats what happens when AOL buys netscape and doesn't give a jack about keeping it working and compliant.

the_monkey · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 9:53 pm

id rather use netscape than sell my virtues to satan.

download 6.1 it works fine for me.

Pat · Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2001 11:46 pm

Attempts to log on to Sijun using Netscape 4.7x is now broken? I can log in, but when the board redirects you back to the topic it says you're not logged in anymore. Nothing I can do will allow me to post. Anyone else experiencing this issue? Explorer seems to function ok.

-Pat

Pat · Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2001 12:16 pm

Duran,

Just how much HTML have you coded? Probably not much with that opinion. Microsoft has willfully and repeatedly omitted functionality in standard HTML tags in an effort to fragment existing browser user-bases. In this way, for many pages to display or even work properly, Explorer is the only solution for the consumer --which allowed Microsoft the opportunity to leverage their marketing position to create the dominant browser. Explorer's track record of being WC3 compliant is absolutely shameful. Chances are, any Netscape display issues you're having are because you're not coding WC3 standard html. Do you write your HTML code or use a another program to assemble it? Perhaps a Microsoft program?

Microsoft's blatant "disregard for standards strategy" worked so well for HTML that they chose to do the same with Java. Microsoft has brass balls to change over 50 API's in a what's supposed to be a cross-platform, standardized language that they are liscensing from another company! They arrogantly claimed they were "...making it better." Fortunately for the rest of the internet community, Sun was able to maintain control over their product. Now, the fastest growing programming language in the world won't be updated or used in future releases of Explorer after the terms of the lawsuit.

Still think Explorer is the shit? Try looking at the gaping holes in Explorer's core functionality, or glaring omissions in basic tag functions. Add to this the unending host of security vulnerabilities and I think you've basically got a crap browser.

I'm not shilling for Netscape either, because it's JUST as buggy and dysfunctional; I'm just reinforcing my point that it's more HTML compliant. Let me reiterate:both browsers suck.

s4murai · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:05 am

http://www.mozilla.org http://www.opera.com http://www.w3.org/Amaya

Edit: No line breaks in this forum or what?

[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: s4murai ]

hoving · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:22 am

It's ill to use Netscape!! Use IE6.
It's so much better. hov

Irfan Yunia · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:01 am

Every web developer I have ever worked with is of the opinion that NS is a pile of crap, they would quite happily sell their mothers soul to see the end of NS. Many developers go into an uncontrollable fit of abuse at the mere mention of its name.

In my opinion Explorer is indeed the work of the devil, but without the devil, how would we appreciate god.

Awetopsy · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:55 am

I do some HTML here at work too and I finds that I always have to recode everything just to get it to work.. Netscape used to be good.. now it sux.. IE isnt much better but it is better.. so I use it.

faustgfx · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:44 am

netscape 3 and earlier versions were good simply 'cause back then there weren't really too many things to fuck up as far as rendering html via standards and whatnot goes..

Duracel · Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2001 7:55 am

Yep, Pat said so!

So i use Opera, it could be better, but it is really much more better than IE or Netscape!
And! Its _not_ the devil in person.

faustgfx · Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:51 am

show me.. say, layers, that work well on Opera.

s4murai · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2001 1:08 am

quote:
Originally posted by faustgfx:
show me.. say, layers, that work well on Opera.

http://www.bkaro.net

I compared some of the sites there in O and IE. They nearly look the same.

Sumaleth · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2001 5:12 am

The forums work fine in NS4.75 for me. You've got something corrupted somewhere I guess.

--

Always amuses me how fanatical people can be about web browsers. I used NS4.75 as my main browser right up until last week and it never hurt. Although I've been turned into a NetCaptor user (www.netcaptor.com).

NC is a new browser that uses IE resources for rendering, so it has decent rendering (although IE's rendering is not as standard or complete as NS6+), but also finally has a usable interface (incorperating elements from NS and Opera). It still has some annoying shortcomings (mainly in the bookmarks), but otherwise I think it's a good middleground.

(There are quite a number of new browsers that use IE and NS6 resources. Another popular one is Fast Browser, although it's too gimmicky for my tastes.)

Row.