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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 8:53 am     Reply with quote
the robots really must have FAST computers!
i mean: rendering all the radiosity stuff, in realtime, for every human... whew
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 9:08 am     Reply with quote
quantum foam makes me roam
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 9:14 am     Reply with quote
you confuse me :/

[ October 11, 2001: Message edited by: mumpizz ]
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 9:55 am     Reply with quote
Mmmm.. Quantum foam. Tastes like cotton-candy. Heh. Isn't quantum foam discussed in manifold: Time? I think it had something to do with the giant quantum computers they used to calculate stuff at extreme speeds, and how they got interdimensional transportation to work.

Anyways, in the Matrix they might just be using some nifty-not-yet-invented Quantum computing (though quantum logic gates have been developed according to some claims by IBM and other companies).

On another note though, I doubt such a reality would need to be created through current rendering technoligies. They directly stimulated the brain and nervous systems of the human 'batteries' to simulate reality. It'd be a whole other kind of technology. No need for polygons or nurbs.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 10:28 am     Reply with quote
The Robots had all the processing Power they ever needed, the human brain. X that by 6.4 billion people and you have a pretty fast computer.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 12:45 pm     Reply with quote
I liked that book

Anyway... reason I mentioned it was because they used quantum computers. They are just a little bit fast.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 1:48 pm     Reply with quote
i agree with impaler all the way....now i have nothing to say....

and Tool is not a hippie band.....every hippie i know...(and thats too many,
because i go to Evergreen State) hates Tool.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 2:31 pm     Reply with quote
the pathetic thing about the matrix is that a.) they use human brains rather then say... fusion or fission.
b.) removing the humans from the matrix will cause it to have too little power to run itself and therefore the humans still in it will die.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 3:19 pm     Reply with quote
c) It gives little credit to William Gibson, author of Necromancer. Damned robots stole his ideas. Bastages. Matrix is a total rip from what Im told. I hear the book is great. Have yet to read it tho.

I liked that book to! I duno why. People either hate it or like it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 4:26 pm     Reply with quote
i remember a few years ago reading an article about quantum computers.

there was a nice decsription of the speed of them in it.
it went something like this: (as far as i can remember that is)

"imagine a big park full of grass. your mission is to cut the grass.
now imagine you use a pair of sissors and cut one straw at a time.
that is how a regular microprocessor solves problems.
if you build a faster computer, it would be the same as cutting each straw a bit faster.
some servers combine two processors. it would be like dualwielding two pairs of sissors!
some big ass supercomputers have hundreds of processors. that would be the equivalent of using a lawnmover. bigger supercomputer -> bigger lawnmover.

now, imagine that you have one pair of sissors for each straw of grass in the park. then you cut with all att the same time. you would be done instantly! that is how a quantum computer works.
however, it would take you quite some time to place all the sissors in position first. that represents how easy it is to 'program' the computer to cut the grass... "

cool, eh?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 5:27 pm     Reply with quote
Quantum computing really wont be practical for predicting weather patterns and other 'super computing' roles. You couldn't even port Doom to it. However, what they will be good for is encryption and decryption, and extremely highspeed searching. (Oh yes, faster than Google)

Since quantum states can be on, off, and both at the same time (I like to think of it as the 'maybe' bit), there'll be a whole other range of calculative possibilities. Tho you have to wonder, wouldn't Windows run nicely on a computer with a 'maybe' bit?

The ideal super computer of the future would be one equiped with modern vector or parallel processing (maybe a Cray?) with a backend quantum computer.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 7:29 pm     Reply with quote
they dont use fusion or fission because that would defeat the whole point of the story.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 7:44 pm     Reply with quote
in the sequel, neo uncovers some ancient programming from microsoft, merges the windows kernel into the mainframe, and watches as 'illegal operations' or blue screens of death destroy the robot forces
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 11:01 pm     Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jezebel:
quantum foam makes me roam


that was the worst book ever
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 11:38 pm     Reply with quote
Direct human interfacing is a different paradigm than the usual frame rendering system. They sort of explain this in the movie. Everything that is our reality exists entirely in our own brain. I don't mean this in the usual Tool hippie pothead way, either. Everything we can see or taste is smell is real, but they way we perceive them is not. They're merely minute electrical impulses sent from nerve to nerve to brain. Therefore, it wouldn't require a huge system to render an entire world.. It would just take an enormously complex and diverse coding language, which would then just be translated to the exactly right signals, at set intervals. I'm sure the mind would sort of fill in the rest, in sort of a dream state. We already do that, anyways. Our memories don't record things like a VCR. They remember specific events, and then the mind fills in the interim with the most likely answer.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2001 9:35 am     Reply with quote
People scare me when they try to ascribe intelligence to a movie like The Matrix.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2001 10:58 am     Reply with quote
Vesuvius ! That would make a GREAT sequel !
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2001 12:25 pm     Reply with quote
I like tacos.
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