[Juan-Philipo]

This is my original, which is quite like, cuz I got around to filling in a decent background, though I think his face came out quite bad. Oh well: http://www.hyperjump.net/natalieboard/art/kenshin-assasin-original.jpg

This is the first coloring, the stage where I just block in all the colors I'm going to use for the drawing I think it looks ok at this stage, considering what it <i>should</i> look like. http://www.hyperjump.net/natalieboard/art/kenshin-assasin-progress1.jpg

Now, this is my current stage... I feel that the whole thing just is wrong. The lightning dosn't work somehow. On the face and hair, I think its nice, but the clothing seems all wrong!!! Can you help me with this guys/gals??? http://www.hyperjump.net/natalieboard/art/kenshin-assasin-progress2.jpg

More to come And please do give me some feedback

[Basement bound]

thought I would suggest that you look at the angle of the ground. And look at the barrels that you have drawn. There is a perspective issue there. Might wanna look at the Sumari too while your at it.

[Juan-Philipo]

I know the perspective is royally screwed on the wall, and the barrels, but its to late for me to correct (long story... plus i'm lazy).
And you prolly have to be a bit more spesific on the "Samurai" than "look at him", heh... If its about his hands, I know his right is really really fucked up (the lowest one), but again, nothing can be done.
It really is more on the shading
I know a lot lot lot could be better, but this isn't something I plan to spend tons of hours on...

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: Juan-Philipo ]

[Juan-Philipo]

Come on people, you can help me out with more than one post??? Sure you can!
Now come on, help me out with the lightning here! The light is supposed to come from the window and from the open night sky above.

[Max]

did this 3sec paintover
don't think it works
well, it was a try
maybe it helps a bit



[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Max Kulich ]

[Juan-Philipo]

Grrr... it really bugs me... I might, despite the amount of wasted time, go back and redraw some of it on the comp.
Maybe just abondon it for something better which i draw on the comp from the beginning...
Oh and thanks for the help, it did help a bit

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: Juan-Philipo ]

[RaykastCS]

You know, despite the fact that that drawing is not that great. I just got soooo inspired by the piece. I see the thought behind it and now im gonna work on a similure picture.

I mean that pic is up to your ass in problems but every time i look at it i thinks it soo cool. I just dont get it! Argh!! Must draw. Keep working on it. Practice makes perfect. I can tell you are vrey creative so keep at it.

[Juan-Philipo]

Most of the problems lie in the background, and perspective of that... the character is somewhat ok if you look past the hands. At least I think so. Besides, I usually look at the one on the computer, and think "damn, thats not that good" but then I look at the original on paper and see that is somehow just got soooo much worse on the computer. I need to get a scanner and not a digital camera for this shit.
Anyway, I'm glad you liked the idea. I like the idea behind it quite a lot too, heh, just didn't work that well.

[RaykastCS]

Just somthing is did last night based on your sketch. Very nice idea.
http://raykast.tripod.com/Images/Gallery/draftscetch/sketch/Samuriblood.jpg

(copy and paste please)

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: RaykastCS ]

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: RaykastCS ]

[Basement bound]

Dude, you tell us you want comments to make the picture better, but you lack any commitment to make it better. ie. redawing it. How long did you spend doing it? half an hour. You have spent more time waiting for comments them making the piece better. If you don't plan on working on it, but want comments then state so in the original post. (Just don't expect alot of comments in the 'Work in Progress' section.)

As for the sumurai if the perspective is off on the barrels it will trasfer over to him. Crit your self a little.

[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Basement bound ]

[Who...me?]

dude, seriously, the guys got a point. If you want comments on the pic, you got them. But, if you're not gonna do anything, it's not even worth the time to look at the piece.

[Juan-Philipo]

I asked for it on the lightning of the picture, ok? I werent clear about that in my first post, sorry dude, no need to piss your pants over it.
The reason I'm not redrawing it is cuz it would be very very much work, since it wasn't originally made on the computer, and due to the ways I can get it on the computer (no scanner) any improvements made at the original drawing is very very clear and stands out a lot. Chill.

And Who...me?, you havent even said anything in this thread except your current post, so dude, chill down too, ok?

I'm just 17, I draw when I have the time to do so, which isn't even every day. That drawing took me a while, I know its not great compared to what some of you do, but yours isn't great compared to Leonardo or Piccaso's either. Point is, no need to hack on the drawing, just cuz you pissed your pants because those entire 5 minutes it took you to look in the thread and reply was wasted.

Geez, I had forgotten how elitist Sijun-forums could be sometimes...

And Ray, you make me feel so sad, thats your quicky drawing--- that stuff would take me hours.

[Basement bound]

elitist. Ha. I laugh in your face. I am like one of the most humbled people you will meet. Just because I say that you need to work on the pict does not mean you have to go back to the original or start a fresh new one. besides you say you have a digital camera, how fast is that. sure it is not as good as a scanner but, better then a celluloid camera (don't you think?).
And hack.....HACK.... when did I hack you drawing?!! I have suggested two major things to fix. You dicide not take the suggestions and put them to good use. [this is like building a lamp with out a plug-in, then wondering why it doesn't work, but refuses to fix the plug-in to get the lamp to work.]
You retaliate by saying "but yours isn't great compared to Leonardo or Piccaso's either" That is not fair, nor mature. You might as well say "Yeah, so.... you're a doodie head!"

(alas after all this perhaps you do not take making art seriously. Your decision. I on the other hand do, I think it is important. And when beginers post wanting a crit, but decide not to put work into it, makes guys not want to help. What for??!!! Not like beginers are listening to us? Sorry if I have picked on you, but I get tired of helping people that really don't use the help.)

[Juan-Philipo]

Nice and calm dude, nice and calm...

When I said yours werent good compared to Picasso's, it was because you made very strong hints that you didn't think mine was very good. Obviously thats compared to something better (everything said, is based on that something else is different or alike), I assumed something better from here since your a pretty regular poster here. For instance, I think its quite good, compared to my drawings a year ago, or the drawings of my friends. I hardly think it was childish, but if you want to say so, go ahead (though you could say that saying that is quite childish too).
My digital camera isn't that good, and have problems getting images sharp. I never get any clean images to work with, that is why it would be deficult to change it on the computer. I dont see what speed has to do with anything.
And all that about taking art seriously??? Dude, thats crap to say it nicely. All you have seen, is that I dont draw that well, and at best, you could say I dont take Drawing seriously. I've made tons of other forms of "art" before (such as songs, computer "art", poems, paintings, and so on and on). A quite unfair remark I must say.
And you seem to have missunderstood something. I was perfectly happy with your first post with help, as I believe I said. It was your next post, taking it down, that I didn't like.
Everyone has to start somewhere, ok? I'm sure you made your mistakes in the beginning too, right? Saying I ask for help and dont take it isn't really right. You might say that I didn't take the direct things that you said into work, however I did learn some things. Such as I should consult the people here from the beginning of my drawings, and not when some things might be to late to correct. It was my bad that I didn't spesify that I just wanted help on the lightning from the beginning, I have already appologized for that, however I corrected that in my second post I believe.
But think about this: I've already begun to totally redo the drawing only on the computer (so that I can more easily correct the things people would suggest), making all kinds of changes for the better, correcting things like the perspective and more. However, your attitude towards me, for a single small mistake, I have already lost my taste for asking for help in these forums. I might do it anyway, because I do know some fair people here, but I'm in great doubt.

[AndyT]

I guess the point is that critiques concerning the lightning don't make sense unless you work on the perspective. You can't just skip that.
You could have started another picture.
If you are serious about digital art then read tutorials and books first!

[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: AndyT ]

[Juan-Philipo]

Apparently you think digital art is only drawing on the computer? Heh, no no... dude, I already do digital art, however just not drawings very much.
I already have read tutorials and books, sorry mate. But since when did you learn this the second you read it, last I looked you had to practice and ask for advice too

[Juan-Philipo]

Advice always helps dude, not matter how good or bad you are
Is that you page your linking to in your sig? If so, I can see what you mean, but still, advice is always good. I know I always like advice from others how to do some things better.
If your somewhat just starting out I really got a lot from How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way

[Basement bound]

well surfice it to say, we are doing more bantering here then concentrating on drawing, etc. Over all I hope I helped more than piss you off. Communication is diffecult over how many miles. I just wanted to see the attitude that, "even if it is diffecult to redo this piece I will just so that I know that I did the best I could." hope you finish this one.

[chao chin]

i agree that all people should focus in the drawing area from now... i agree with all other people, i think it's not a bad idea to redo your drawing and post it again, juan... u still young man... it give u advantages... and i think it's better to focus on the basic drawing before u color it.. coz u will get a basic good drawing for coloring later on (it just my suggestion).. i still learning too.. but i think it's good to give advice... maybe u can use it.. i hope..

okay then.. draw man draw! i know u can do it! i believe that talent is only affect 5% of your ability... the rest is practice and work hard!

[AndyT]

I know now that I am still at a point where critiques don't work. I know I suck.

[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: AndyT ]

[AndyT]

What I was trying to say is that the only way to give advice here is to draw the picture from scratch as RaykastCS did. An overpaint would look bad. And I guess redrawing it doesn't help.
So come up with a new version (you said that given time you could come up with a better image).
What good is it to say that you could do better? Proof it!

And do you realize there is a provocation in every other sentence? Please stop nitpicking at the wording when you know what it actually means!

[Max]

I would be happy if I got that much replies.

Nothing against anybody.....................

Finish it Juan.

[Juan-Philipo]

Sorry Andy, I've gotten used to typing that way from other forums where debates get pretty hot, so you just have to go for the kill in every sentence, heh. Sorry mate, didn't mean anything by whatever it was I said.

Chao, very true what you said

Dont worry about BB, its cool... I just have a temper when people seem to get aggressive without much reason, but no worries mate... sorry I gave ya an 1 star vote!

Anyway, the new drawing... Still very very sketchy, but i'm just working on it like this for a while, until I feel I really get the feeling I want. I still feel I'm missing something, but I dont know exactly what!
Let me just explain first what it is you see in the pic (since its so sketchy, only I can see what most of it is):
Two shadows of people front towards our hero assasin. A dead evil bad guy at the right side. A small tiny ally, with bad guys at the bottom of it. Our hero untouched by the events, and not a scratch on him. The scene is lit up by the lantern (can you say that in english?) which is obviously dropped by one of the bad guys around, and then the vague moonlight above. I plan to have it raining, though i'm terrible at rain. http://www.hyperjump.net/natalieboard/art/moonlighttemp.jpg

[Max]

Much better.

I know it is just the scech but

be carful - draw finer and exactly.

[Basement bound]

Now that's what I was talking about!!
one star. good grief.

[Juan-Philipo]

Thanks Max
the reason its so sketchy, even for me, is that I'm still new to drawing with the Wacom... I can color with it and such, but drawing from the beginning on the computer is still pretty new to me, so its hard to get started with

Sorry BB, whenever I see someone I havent given a vote yet, I tend to just go with it... you'd be suprissed of the weird votes I've given, lol

Any idea on the background??? I feel its missing something, its sooooo empty, but I have no ideas.

[AndyT]

Ok...I'll just post it. It's easy to go for the kill again though . Some things you might want to take a closer look at ...
the picture is cropped. The picture won't look so empty if you crop it. The shadows are targeted at the VP (don't know why I did that but it seems right, doesn't it?). And the blade wouldn't point at the sky ... it would point more at the viewer I guess.
I don't know if such shadows are possible in moonlight and if your lantern would work like that!? If you think that lantern is necessary don't make it's impact very strong because the moon is very bright there.
The dead guy looks like an ally? ... alley? ... ally? (sorry ) not like a bad guy. Maybe the red of the blood does not really fit into the palette. A no gore version might look better...


ONE STAR VOTE!? YOU ARE EVIL

[Juan-Philipo]

Hehe, as I said much as my sketch is so sketchy only I know really what is going on, lol
Well, I plan to have it very dark, plus it would rain, so actually I think the moonlight would be very vague, wouldn't it???
Sorry, ally, alley, hey call it whatever you want, lol. I meant the coridor if you could call it that instead.
My prob with the background is that in Japan (where in my head it takes place) glass and windows like that werent really there. So I'm having probs with filling in what the walls.
But thanks a lot for your advice
I'll get going on making the sketch less sketchy

[AndyT]

I don't know about the rain but maybe the texture helps (the idea behind it). For the rain effect check out Dhabih's tutorial.

[Juan-Philipo]

Ahh, that tutorial... that was the one that made me understand how to color on the computer But it dosn't help me on the rain...
Anyway, the texture is a nice idea...
Another thing I thought about, maybe its better if it wasn't actually a corner, but rather a simple wall with a passage through it???
I might get time to work on it tonight