[lilsis]

Hello all.... I have only posted a few times before and have been working on this for quite some time now. Its eventually going to be a rendition of a 1960's Teen Magazine cover, however, something doesn't look quite right. Any ideas, suggestions or crits on how I can improve her expression/face by warming it up and making her look more lifelike.

This is a link to geocities, I'm not sure if the image will appear, if not, maybe copy & paste to the address bar and it will then show up.
Thanks!
Flower child 1969

[ August 12, 2002: Message edited by: lilsis ]

[55]

Her right eye is closer to her nose than her left eye. Her chin is also a bit fucked up.
The lips don't blend into her face and her nose is a lot rougher than everything else.
Her neck and shoulders are also a bit weird.

I suggest watching some reference pictures, to get the idea. A lot of work to be done with the shapes.

- Lauri

[Basement bound]

These were your primary issues. they eyes should line up with the ends of the mouth. and you have her chin and the structure of the face more towards the 3/4 view rather than straight forward. Here is what I mean.

[AndyT]

I tried something too...

I kept the brow line and tried to reconstruct the head.

Maybe the brown colors should be replaced with pinkish colors!?

[oDD]

hello

overally i like the picture, you took a pretty cool subject. I like the colors. And those flowers... their are cute (and well painted too).

Anyway as i said it befor but maybe you didn't heard i got no knowledge or skill to give valuable comments but i will try to do my best.

So... I got no life either so i spended some of my time to do a paintover of your pic!



As you can see i got little carried away and i think i made her look old and ugly.(thats because you didnt provide youre reference pic baby, next time be sure to do so, so its easier for me and the talented part of this forum to give a comment)

Anyway. The first thing that structed me (after few happy moments of enjoyment) was that the eye on the left is too much on ... Left ! so i changed that. Then i started to think, and i came to some conclusions. It looks like you just copied feature after feature. YOu were thinking too much about deatails and not enoght about the overall pic !. I can see the same thing in the colors. Look at the face she looks like she was shawing, her lover part of face is grayish comparing to her body (above the boobies area). So i suggest to work only with 3 main values( and then smudge it if ypu like), this way you will avoid this problem. There were some other flaws. You can check them by downloading my paintover next to youre pic and view them in acdsee.

Overally i can see you could learn some more about drawing heads/faces. If you knew how to constucted one the face wouldn look so flat.

i hope you find something of this worth applying to youre work.

and sorry for bad spelling.

[oDD]

oh i just ralized it was from imagination, stupid me.

forget the "provide reference baby" part then.

[55]

oDD corrected the problems quite well. I'm sorry if my feedback was a bit rough. It wasn't ment to be, I was just simply listing the problems I saw in the picture.

cheers, Lauri.

[egerie]

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[ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: egerie ]

[oDD]

ok so...

i got few things to say

1. A person posts a pic on the forum. Than people give critque the best they can! That person should be happy that others care about their art. But You instead of saying thank you, you call us "ass lickers" and you says some other DUMM stuff. How f**ked up is that.

2. posting feedback is a part of learning process for both sides , the artist and the people that give the feedback. All of us here are trying their best. If you don't agree with the critique, just say "thank you" and don't apply it to youre picture but don't act like an asshole. Only 55 uesed one stupid word and he quickly apologized.

i'm not planning to comment youre stuff anymore.

bye

[AndyT]

Well said oDD!

[Herb]

I think everyone gave great criticisms. The reason of pointing out flaws in the picture is to help improve it. Just because everyone isn't going "OMG U GOT SO GREAT PICUTURE!!!!111", doesn't mean you have to flame them, lilsis.

[lilsis]

Ok guys, here is what I have.....


What do you think of these revisions to the pic!?


55 ~ two cents??

Odd ~ I have NO objections to paintovers that will help me with my lighting etc... but bad paintovers do me NO good... thanks but NO THANKS!

Basement Bounds ~ Yup, what you pointed out helps.. thanks!

AndyT ~ are those revisions/paintover done to my pic supposed to guide me right or help me more... Sorry but IMO, I don't seem to think so. See comment that I left for ODD above.

egerie ~ EXACTLY my thoughts as well... thanks!

Seriously, I can take some good constructive critism, key word being GOOD and HELPFUL constructive critism. It seems to me that all anyone wants to do on this forum is kiss ass to all the professional well knowns around here, yet, at the same time post rude feedback to those who are just trying to learn from anyone who has anything constructive to offer for tips.

Quote from 55:
"Her right eye is closer to her nose than her left eye. Her chin is also a bit fucked up."

Ok, its critique and its true that I DID welcome it..but wouldn't it have been more appropriate to phrase this a little nicer/better?? I mean, how am I supposed to fix her chin if all I learn about it is that its "fucked up"... Fucked up how, I ask!?? That kind of crit does nothing to help me improve her chin. ITs a blank statement that serves to be far from helpful in correcting the chine and only annoying and rude to hear!!!

[lilsis]

Oh gosh, I completely agree! I admit, I DID ask for Crits.... and I did ask for comments. I am not looking for ONLY praise... just some honest and HELPFUL feedback, however, IT IS interesting that
the same individuals who posted negetive crits to my first pic, didn't bother to crit the revised version... hmmmmm?
Instead, feed off of my last post and ignored the revised, and IMO, better version that I reposted....

"Quote from Odd"
"i'm not planning to comment youre stuff anymore.

bye"

from lilis: "Thanks! Your doing me more of favor than you think you are!! "

"2. posting feedback is a part of learning process for both sides , the artist and the people that give the feedback. All of us here are trying their best. "

~Ummmm, I don't want to learn from someone else that is already learning..... I would PREFER a crit from someone who knows what the hell they are talking about, someone preferrably on a higher level. That is why I posted here... I THOUGHT that there were alot of professionals here that post and crits others work. Next time I will remind myself to find a chat room on AOL Hometown & post there...there doesn't seem to be a slight bit of difference to the mentality here and there!

[J Bradford]

lilsis: I don't think someone is going to take their time to make a paintover for the sake of being an ass. If you don't like it you don't have to be so rude back, just say thanks and be on you're way.

Learn to take criticism or you will never get anywhere.

[egerie]

Lilsis : I was actually commenting on the teneur of some of the critiques, not your work.
Now before someone chews me up one side and down the other here's my crit of your 2nd version : The eyes seem slightly too big and too much in the center. Sure some 'flaws' can give a portrait some character but.. This is my 2c and it's worth what it's worth
Maybe checking out Loomis for mainstream face proportions would be a good idea.. ?
Oh and um I don't think that flower on the right should have some transparency... ?

As for the escalating dialogue : Be good or be good at it.

[AndyT]

You could have mentioned more precisely what you attach inportance to (Ethnicity, Age, Hair Style???) and what you did not like about your picture in the first place.

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Instead, feed off of my last post and ignored the revised, and IMO, better version that I reposted....

She looks like a 30 jear old woman that knows how to moisturize, IMHO.
Your images are too big and comparing them is an inconvenience. You could provide both versions like that.

I think you wouldn't understand what the hell the talented people are talking about. There's a lot of good advice and you don't bother looking at it unless it is a step-by-step instruction.

[SpiralEye]

lilsis,
The expression on her face reads "surprised" to me. I think if you lowered the eybrows just a touch and made the eyes a little shorter vertically that it would change that.

As for receiving crits that aren't very polite or helpful . . . well, good luck in not receiving them.

Hope mine helped.

Royal

[SpiralEye]

Bytheway, I don't mean to imply to anyone that the crits given were useless. I think the intentions were very good. If studied, I think some help could be derived from them. My humble opinion.

[lilsis]

Thanks Egerie.. appreciate your 2 cents.
Well, I agree about the daisy on the side and the transparency.. although I did post this in the Work in Progress section.