[ex]

Why would anyone use macs? Im just curious. They don't have as much compatiable stuff.

[faustgfx]

elitism.

[Poprocksz]

Cuz mine was free

[exo13]

Check out the "Macs vs. PCs" debate in the "Digital art Discussion Section." You'd be shocked over how many people here use computers that suck.

[dr . bang]

well, if you play alot of games then PC is the way to go.

[Ben Barker]

No, CONSOLES are the way to go if you want to play games.

Seriously, let's see how many simultaneous arguments we can get going here.

There is no God.
Capital Punishment for shoplifters.
Abstract Expressionism is not art.
etc.

[ex]

I did not post with intentions of starting an argument. jesus, I just wanted to know.

[Maruman]

Windows is for faggots, Macs are for yuppies and linux is for tryhard hackers.

[faustgfx]

macintosh is good for 3 things

- photoshop
- a few video and audio related things
- stuck up elitist yuppie retards who don't know anything more about computers than how to operate the power button

[Etict]

Well, as far as I know, Mac is more reliable than PC. I heard you can actually use MacOS. Wonderful if it's true. I knew a guy in ad-agency who used mac/photoshop and said it was better than PC, for some weird reason (I bet if I'd asked, he would've said something like "because?").
I know a 2d-artist, slightly famous Q3-texture artist actually, who used mac, and after started using PC, complained about how PC was a crappy piece of shit compared to Mac.

I'm constantly typing Max instead of Mac, this is irritating.

Anyway, I will not use Mac EVER, because it has only one button in mouse. Mac-mouses aren't nifty, PC-mouses are. You have like millions of cool buttons, all do some great, fantastic THING, imagine, who can resist that? Right now I'm dreaming about buying a new "mouse" with about 20 buttons. You could practically leave the mouse on the table and let it do the work while you drink coffee.

But, being smart, I shall not take such course of action, and I shall stick with my optical 2-button+wheel-rat.

Yeah well, I think it's the versatility that makes pc better.

Bubble.

[Maruman]

erm did anyone ever think that macs might actually be better than PC's,

nah you faggot are all to fucken stupid

(btw no offence to any gay ppl)

[wayfinder]

"Mac's" <-- head shot for that one.

anyway, being both a pc (@home) and a mac(@work) user, i can compare the two quite well, and while macs are not more stable than pcs at all, and you cant really use macos any better than windows ( ), they do have big time support from adobe, which means that photoshop&imageready, premiere, illustrator and all the other good stuff from adobe will work better on a mac than on a pc. the mouse issue is a non-issue, it's no problem at all.

who'd want to use a mac?

someone who wants to get work done (gfx or midi, mainly), i'd say, without having to know how to update gfx card drivers, reconfig a bios or alter config.sys. on a mac, you have less access to the bowels of the system, less control, less responsibility, less stress . also, some people (*gasp*) don't play games on their computers, although they can. (remember for which system q3 came out first? )


anyway, i like my pc, i like having control about the computer, even if it means that i sometimes have use the control panel.

i also like the mac coz it's shiny and it feels good and smooth to work with it.

can't we all get along?


NO!!! FUCK YOU!!!

[ToastyKen]

Mmmm.. platform wars...

I'm a longtime Mac user, and I'm going to try to be as objective as possible here, but I'm sure I'll be somewhat biased :P

(Oh, first of all, I'd like to point out that I use a 4-button+scroll wheel mouse. In fact, I get annoyed when I go to any other machine, be it Mac, Windows, or UNIX, because i don't have my 4 buttons. So the "I'm not going to use the Mac because it only has one button" argument really dont' hold much water. )

The Mac advantage:

More thought is put, in general, into interface design, not only in terms of the OS itself, but by application writers as well, because it's part of the culture.

Mac advantage rebuttal:

Since Win95 came out, however, the interface gap has been narrowed to be pretty negligable, and most people can probably be just as proficient in either environment once they get used to it.

Rebuttal rebuttal:

Among long-time users of both platforms, most do tend to prefer the Mac interface a bit.

(Note that you compare platforms by the reactions of someone who is used to only one, since they'll clearly be much more proficient at that one. The Mac will probably seem very unfriendly to a long-time Windows person, actually, as well as vice versa.)

The Windows advantage:

There is a much wider base of software and hardware. If you want to play the latest games on the latest 3D hardware, you usually just can't do that on a Mac.

Windows advantage rebuttal:

All the really important software IS available for the Mac. That is, you have Office, you have web browsers and email clients, most big-name games get ported.. And there's Mac-only stuff, too.

Rebuttal rebuttal:

The Windows versions often do still come out first, sometimes many months earlier. Oh, and PCs are cheaper, too.

Conclusion:

So basically, what it comes down to is that Mac users tend to prefer the Mac because there is generally a more user-conscious culture among developers, but the lack of broad support is often too high a price to pay.

Things I ommitted on purpose:

Reliability. Macs and Windows both crash a fair amount once you're doing a lot, and they're both pretty reliable if you're running a small set of apps consistently.

CLI vs. GUI: I ommitted the whole "command line makes Windows more powerful" argument because Windows's command line has been dwindling anyway, and you can do more hacking on a Mac than at first glance.. Not to mention that this argument is being reversed now that Mac OS X has a powerful UNIX command line. (I think that, in general, the interface vs. support thing will continue to hold for Mac OS X.)

Performance: Quite frankly, I don't feel that this is all that important. I'm using a pretty old machine and it's perfectly fast enough for everything I need to do. Wintel desktops are probably a bit faster than an equivalently priced Mac these days, and Mac laptops are probably a wee bit faster than equivalently priced Wintel laptops. Personally, I feel the difference is small enough not to matter.

And a few more words...

Anyway, I haven't participated in a platform-war for quite some time.. and this is me trying to state my current stance on things.

As for what I have.. I currently use a PowerBook G3/400.. After I graduate and start working, my plan is to have a Mac laptop as my primary machine, some sort of UN*X (perhaps Mac OS X) box server, and I plan to buy me a top-of-the-line PC for the sole purpose of playing the latest games.

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[Ysg]

i'll get a mac one day, and for people who complain about the mouse... you can buy a new one. I use a logitech mouseman wheel for my pc and I believe logitech has the same model for the mac, and my tablet works on mac or pc so I'm set

nobody says anything about the mac keyboard, my wrist ache after a few hours of the mac keyboard mouse wrack of doom combo.

[wayfinder]

eheheh yeah the old apple keyboards sucked, as impaler put it so eloquently, coprolite (or, in this context more appropriate, the stuff that comes out when you turn your keyboard over and whack it on the table -> i call it keyprolite). the new ones are ok, but still not as good as a good old electric typewriter style 1988 siemens keyboard


anyway, one thing that needs major improvement is the cooperation of mac and pc.

fonts, AAAAAAargh.

[ex]

Yes, everyone chuck stones at me because in an idiot and suck at grammer. (Mac's) Dumbass mistake. It could happen to you.

So lets see here:

• Macs have less compatiability than the pc.
  
• Mac has higher costing hardware
  
• Mac tends to run photoshop nicely.
  
• Mac OS was designed for use on the short bus?
  
• Macs in general cost more too
  
• Software that does come out for both mac and pc, costs more money on Macs
  
• Macs come in pretty colors and titanium holders
  
• And don't forget the neat speakers which you can stick your finger in and feel the satelite vibrate!
  
• Cool man!
  

"I can see clearly now, the rain is gone."

And uhm, you're all fucking retarted, ugly, gay, and losers. But, I don't mean any offence to retarted, ugly, gay people or losers.

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[ex]

Uhm, Maruman, when you use the word 'to' in the context of meaning either also or too much/too many. You have to change the word to 'too'.

So now it would be. "nah you faggot are all too fucken stupid"

Now lets correct some more.

"nah you faggot". That implies that you are speaking to one person, but clearly, you're not when you say: "are all". Wow, that is one hell of a contradiction. Try this:

"...all you faggots are too"

What do we have so far... "nah all you faggots are too fucken stupid"

More? "fucken" isn't a word.
When you take a break in a sentence, it calls for one of these little things: ",".
The beginning of each sentence begins with a capitol letter, and ends with a period, question mark, or an exclamation point.

What do we get now? "Nah, all you faggots are too fucking stupid." Wow, so much better.

Then, you call people gay, with the intent of offending them, yeah, that still is what the motive of insulting people is. (To offend them.) That is also one hell of a contradiction on your part.

Idiot. Next time, maybe you should just not talk.

[mannyp]

I like Macs because:

*Better colour management
*Easier to use and maintain (never had to reinstall drivers for some god-awful reason, or need to go to DOS and CONFIG some B.S.)
*True plug and play
*I don't have to worry about Virii what so ever
*Plenty of quality software and hardware (and no... software DOESN'T COST MORE!!! That's just plain dumb talk).
*Macs can deal with all kinds of files and disk formats from any platform
*I can setup and maintain a network in less time it takes a PC user.
*I can fix 99% of any technical problem I come across.
*It works straight out of the box
*Setting up a Cable or DSL modem is so much easier
*It doesn't crash nearly as much as people claim (try once a week at the very most).
*I don't lose data or corrupt files when it crashes
*Files don't magically screw up over the net (an observation from using a PC and e-mail).
*You can't hack a Mac
*Longevity
*An iMac, while entry level, has incredible performance for the price.
*Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio pro rule
*No blue screen of death j/k

I'm not a Mac zealot (well entheusiast maybe, not as hardcore as some can be), but I don't go out of my way to bash Win users or force my opinion (or start flame wars on forums). My frame of mind is use whatever works for you -- whatever makes you happy.

It bugs me to see/hear people make rash generalizations that hold absolutly no truth from people who obviously never tried to use a Mac (or really gave it a decent try).

I've had a fair amount of experience on PCs of all kinds since 1987 and up to now... I personally don't like them, but I do admire those who use them and can use them effectively.

Cheers

[Dan3d]

Up until MACOS X, MACs were not truly multi-threaded. This meant that you could only run one application at a time. Oh, you could "open" two applications, but the app in the background was not active at all. Let me try to explain it this way:

If, on a Mac (without MACOS X installed) I were to start rednering a 3D image. Then, for the sake of the discussion, I were to open Photoshop. The rendering of the 3D image would be "on hold" while PS was opening. In other words, only ONE thread could be processed at a time.

Windows NT, Win98 and Win2000 are all multi-threaded OS's. This means, given the example above, if I open PS while rendering, the rendering continues ... another thread is opened via the OS.

Of course, all this is a mute point since OSX changes all that.

[Red Leader]

I love my Macs, of course, I don't game on them, that's what my PS2 and HDTV are for

On the Mac, Plug and play actually works, for the most part, and it's really easy to file manage everything. Also, the color management is a clear winner. Experienced users tend to find extention conflicts faster on a Mac than a PC as well.
Top of the line Powerbooks kick any TOL PC laptop's ass as well, and I like all my machines to play nicely, so there's another point for Mac.

Simplicity = higher production in my books.

Unless PCs show definite advantages in the future, I'll stick with Mac, especially with the promise that OSX brings for Photoshop stability, once it runs native on it.

[Breakerboy2]

I've been using mac's for over ten years, and I definitely prefer them for what I do. There are plenty of ignorant or maybe just sarcastic people who will write them off or say they suck, but I'll gladly stick by my choice.

"Elite" my ass. That kind of generalization is just so stupid. Sounds like a different thread I was looking at earlier...

Oh, and I use a multi-button mouse with a scroll wheel - gasp! Yeah, the one-button mice do suck, but you don't buy a computer for the mouse.

[Pat]

Dan3d, actually you're only partially right. While most Macs use preemptive multi-tasking, OS9 has limited multi-threaded processing support. Without it, those popular dual-processor macs wouldn't run very fast. Most apps aren't programmed for it though. FYI, I commonly render in the background with PS open. Works fine.

If anyone wants to bitch about the MacOs, they ought to focus on the archiac memory manager --while it gets the job done it's hardly state of the art.

-Pat

[ August 05, 2001: Message edited by: Pat ]

[Dan3d]

Hey, Pat! Thanks for clearing that up for me.