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guarnere · Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2002 4:08 pm

ive worked forever on this head..its all freehand, im going to fix up the lines and shit..so yeah....I used painter 7

..plz comment guys...and im going to do a body and a background also =)

B0b · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 7:48 am

try using dark blues for the shaded areas instead of black

guarnere · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 4:42 pm

thx!

even for the horn though..?

faB · Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 5:34 pm

I cant see your pic, but based on Bob's comment I think this might be useful: there's a simple rule of thumb that shadows are of a complementary color of the light source color.
in other words, a warm light creates cold shadows (bluey), a cold light creates warm shadows

Hyptosis · member Member # Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Posts: 507

still cool as hell though =]

jabber · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:18 am

a cold color light source creates warm colored shadows? how does that work?

B0b · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 1:21 am

if u look at ur detail on the face, u've used dark blue, see how much better it looks than the gray u've used else where for the shading

faB · Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 2:31 am

jabber a picture is worth a thousand words so here it is

(pic linked from [url=http://www.luminous-landscape.com)]www.luminous-landscape.com)[/url]

In this case a strong warm light ( the sun setting down I assume, very orangeish) creates a cold blue shadow.. even on all the waves of sand if you look carefully.. all over the place!

The reverse is also true, of course cold/warm feels strong in words, it can be only faintly one or another. Looking around your desk you probably cant see this effect as much, but it is there, I assume probably a perfectly white light will not produce a complementary colored shadow, but just a darker shade of the object color.. but I have not verified this.

This is something I am in the process of learning, and I found that after you develop an eye for drawing, your only halfway done.. you need to develop that eye for seeing the colors. It;'s amazing what colors there are that we dont see. I look at my walls, I know they are white.. thats why Id paint them white.. but I am wrong.. my brain tells me they are white.. my eyes probably see a very desaturated blue that looks almost greyish white, because of the warm light coming from outside. It's quite difficult to really 'see' a color as it is there .. just practice

Also another rule of thumb, which is what BoB above probably referred to, is that generally there are no true white and black in real life, so dont use true black and whites unless you do comic art.

[ July 19, 2002: Message edited by: faB ]

KiKeTiN · Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 4:57 am

Hi everyone,i'm new here.
Well,I don't really think things works that way: a warm light doesn't produce a cold shadow, the blue shadow you can see in the picture is caused by the blue sky, in the shadow there is no orange light so that zone gets illuminated by the dispersed light coming from the sky, you can see this pretty well in many 3D pics made with Global Illumination, the sky domes made famous by Arnold Renderer and others.
Sorry for my crapy english, I hope you can understand this.

Bye

faB · Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 5:30 am

The warm light does produce a cold shadow, if the light appears warm it is in contrast to the not-so-warm surrounding light, hence the shadow appears not-so-warm, as you describe yourself with the color of the sky.

I think the general 'rule of thumb' applies to how we 'feel' the colors, since we always gauge the colors in contrast to surrounding colors. But technically you are right.

[ July 20, 2002: Message edited by: faB ]

tor · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 3:20 am

my dear friends,

i think (once again) that the bottom line
for this discussion (3d raytrace, global
lum, etc aside) is contrast.

contrast is the most important factor in
how we percieve color and brightness in
an image.

i work with film and i have to explain to
clients every day

that a white frame
might not be the answer to make something
to appear "hot" or "blinding".

the example with the desert is a good one,
since the shadows are blue next to the orange
sand they appear much stronger than they
would if they were gray or brown with the
same brightness.

when faB say that warm light create cold
shadows he (or she) probably mean that from
an artistic point of view the shadows benefit
form beeing cold. having said that if you
have a room with ONLY warm lights all over
you'd get fairly the same color temp in
different brightness but that would probably
be pretty boring...

we are only humans after all and stuck with
the way that our brains and eyes work
together.

as for the image, looks cool but you said
that you are going to put at body in the bg?
i would sketch it lightly at least to see if
the composition work before i start coloring,
this way you don't have to redo a lot of work
if it turn out that you have to change the
head in order for it to work...

thanx, i'll shut up now

t�

[ July 25, 2002: Message edited by: tor ]

Whisperpntr · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:06 am

I would say sketch out the body and the anatomy.

But that's just me.....good so far. actually it resembles a triceratops.

tor · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 5:36 am

U mean a triceratops raped by a t-rex...

Whisperpntr · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 7:30 pm

chuckles at tor

WEeeeell actually ya I see what you mean!

funny floaty head though!

Hope you do more dragons or umm dragons with dinosuar influence (i love both)

Atherium · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:43 pm

The only thing I have to say about the piece (although I agree with the contrast issue) is to thin out the jawline, it looks a little too t-rex. Dragons need to be, well they dont need to be but the would be as aero dynamic as possible, more towards the alligator aspect. But that is just me.