Sijun Forums :: View topic - hairy situation here...FINISHED I think!!!!!!

Indian_Prophet · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:37 am

Alright people, I have gone as far as I can on this one so if you want chop away. Tell me what you think about the over-all painting and keep in mind I am still in the learning process.

Aside from that I have another question for you. Out of all the artist out there, which of you can still draw from memory without much reference at all? I have been drawing for a very long time. I am 30. It seems to me for most of my days I drew straight from my head on most things, but now I find this is getting more and more difficult to do. If there are experienced artist out there who still is able to create from scratch from their heads, tell me...(perferable artist 30 and up) do you practice or exercise in a certain fashion in order to draw from memory? Anyone else kinda go threw this? I don't want to get stuck JUST drawing portraits and animals if you know what I mean.
Peace

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proximo · member Member # Joined: 27 Jan 2000 Posts: 467

Ahh the great question.. well the best thing i can offer you is a tutorial somone posted almost a year ago, his name was tinshc i think .. that was the name on sijun board .. you can do a search on his in the archive part if you want to see, all the links on that post were broken so i did a search and found that his tutorial had been put on gameart.com so this is the link

http://www.gameart.com/tutorials/index.asp?tutorial=hair

hope that helps

proximo

Indian_Prophet · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2001 2:50 pm

thanks, looks like a good site for tuts.

Sukhoi · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:12 pm

Damn, great work!!!!
I can't guide you on the hair issue.
I wonder about the chimps' expression, though. It seems to be faking the roar/scaryface/whatever. By this I mean that its' eyes look empty. The eyebrows have taken a day off....
Ofcourse I don't know wheather the face actually looks like you,ve painted it, but that's just what comes to my mind.
Once again, I like it a lot!

Sukhoi

Tinusch · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:24 pm

That tutorial sucks.

Tinusch · Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:26 pm

Don't use the tutorial, it's a cheap and quick way to get mediocre results, and you won't learn anything from it. View the hair in large forms rather than focusing on each individual strand. See it as having its own shape and structure and draw it accordingly. Once you've got the basic color and lighting down, then go in and begin detailing it. Don't overdo it, just remember hair has a form and isn't just a bunch of lines and strokes.

Mb · junior member Member # Joined: 23 Nov 2001 Posts: 45

Yup yup yup, ditto. A lot of 3d modelers will actually use overlapping modified planes with opacity mapping to make hair. That's what the 2d artist should do as well. Look for overall highlight/shadow in a mass of hair and then add as much detail as necessary to match the rest of the pic. Just like Tinusch said

Indian_Prophet · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:21 am

Sukhoi
its funny you have mentioned that, because before I started this one I put my hand over the chimps mouth in my ref pic and thought the eyes looked like it was saying "would you give me a banana, please?" Chimpanzees have weird behaviors and expressions as well. I'm sure if I altered the results on my picture here that it may become a little more interesting but I am actually just trying to capture that chimps expression as it is. THis chimp is merely making noise and showing teeth without too much anger involved as to say looky here don't come any closer or else you shall feel my wrath.

As for the tut, I found it helpful although not for this realistic style painting but the advance hair tut is somewhat more in depth at that site. Its just a matter of learning the different brush settings that are helpful. This chimps body is just roughed in without anything more. the head is my attempt to paint hair without being fully satisfied. I have no idea how to create an opacity map or even what it looks like or intels to know what you mean. If you are talking about overlapping layers going from opaque to more transparent, then thats another thing.

Lihamyrsky · member Member # Joined: 06 Dec 2001 Posts: 66

it's the Librarian!
if that was an orangutan, then it would be the.. oh nevermind

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Indian_Prophet · Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2001 9:49 am

update

its almost finished.

Indian_Prophet · Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2001 12:40 am

man
I shipped this into photoshop and worked on it for about a half hour when I realized I was working on the small jpg version for this site....grrr

Joachim · Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2001 6:15 am

I think what makes it difficult for you to finish this is that you kind of started in the wrong/hard direction.
My tip would be not to find out how to draw hair or something but think more global, about how tha whole painting should look like not how to pull off the details.
First off, since you've started painting on a white canvas, it makes it very hard for yourself to see the values or get a overview on how you can continue. Also, it makes it very difficult to paint things because the white will always stick out...so after the lines, my tip is to tone down the canvas. Try to get the overall color first, then work with big shapes of color and the most obvious contrasts and details. Then work with the details later. Maybe you won't even need to worry about detaling each straw of hair....

here's a quick attempt to show you what I mean:

Indian_Prophet · Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:37 pm

Wow, good advice and I understand what you mean. Yea, being that I am new to color, I did approach this one completely wrong although I will finish it hopefully without curving downward in interest for mediocre results but I don't know how much I can revive this one. I do like the example sketches. At the top of the page I have updated the picture and where i am at. As I have said I ended up working on the smaller jpg and tried importing it into photoshop because for some reason I have a little bit better control over my artz II duoswitch pen in that app. Don't know if its getting better or not, I've starred at it too long.

Indian_Prophet · Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2001 8:46 pm

Scroll up, the first post of mine is renewed. Please comment. Oh and it seems this page is loading very weird so if you can't see the image in the first post just right click and paste in a new browswer to see image.

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