[Kjetil Nystuen]

I'm just curious about how you forum members from the US think about George Bush. He's been sitting for a while now, and don various stunts...

I personally don't like him at all, and I think it's very strange that you didn't vote for Al Gore. Your international politics were going really well, and your economics were very good. Why didn't you choose to go further with the success?

But then again, I'm just a simple guy from Norway..

[Akolyte]

Many people voted for Al Gore, but either way, neither candidate was worth half a crap. I believe Bush was the lesser of two evils. (by like .0005%) Plus, Bush seemed more personable and uses those great non-functional words

[Lunatique]

Remember, the president is not the whole government. There are the people around him, and the people he has to deal with. The president doesn't have as much power as people think. He can get impeached if he really screws up, and they CAN fire his ass.

[Jock McxSporran]

At least you got to choose for or against.

Whoever wins the Presidential elections in the US probably has more direct bearing on my life than whoever wins a general election in the UK.

[Twice]

Hei Kjetil. Digger tegningene dine. Tenkte jeg m�tte si noe om dette for noe av det du sier er feil.

amerikansk valgsystem er et helvete stort rot. Sinnsykt vanskelig � sette seg inn i for utlendinger som oss. Det som skjedde under forige valg var faktisk at Al Gore fikk flere stemmer. I USA har de 50 valg kretser. Innbyggerne i disse kretsene stemmer ikke direkte p� president kandidatene, men p� valgmenn som igjen skal avgi sin stemme. Det betyr i praksis at en kandidat kan ha dobbelt s� mange stemmer som den andre, men fortsatt vinne. Det er derfor de kjemper s� veldig om hvisse valgkretser, for noen har flere valgmenn og lignende!

uansett, sikker ikke interessert. Men jeg synes Bush er en tidsinnstil bombe. Stole ikke p� han. ikke Gore heller. Liker de ikke!

[gLitterbug]

I find it somehow strange that I understand some fragments of what andskj said, because I never read something in that language before. Maybe its a little bit similar to the German language.
You are explaining the voting system right?

[schabe]

yeah norge is quite readible for me too norge:"har de" german:"haben die" english:"have they" i guess is more euqla to german than to english but its even more euqal to danish language

regarding g.bush: no strict opinion here. just liked the pic in 'green monkeys' thread. imho a.gore woulld be slightly better than g.bush but he is certainly evil too. its kinda funny that republicans lost majority in senate

[Dthind]

I am not an Al Gore support. I do not think he was qualified to be president. As for George Bush, my support for him is slipping. I could go into lengthy detil as to why, but why ?

One of the best things about the US Govt is that the laws are made at the State and Federal level, and not by the President.

I also think the Govt is involved into too many aspects of my life now, and I do not want them into anymore.

Please Clarify

In German law I have heard that something is considered illegal until it is legal. Which would be the opposite of US law, where something is legal until it is illegal.

Is this statement valid ?

[edible snowman]

george bush sucks. al gore sucks. politicians suck. its the way things go. if they manage to get enough money for office, they probably suck. we could discuss how and why they suck, because its different for just about all of them, but just saying they suck is easier. that said, i think george bush was the worse of the two major candidates. hes far too conservative, doesn't seem to plan on solving any problems, and is using these problems to institute solutions that won't work. cutting huge taxes, and not even giving it to people who need it in the name of economy. cutting research in alternative fuel, attempting to dig up alaska, and lowering industry standards on pollution in the name of energy. i know this, and i quit paying attention a long time ago. i don't know, pretty much everything about the guy bothers me. id rather watch thats my bush.

[dead]

I don't follow politics much but IMO...

George W. is even worse than Reagan when he was loosing his mind. Bush is so bad that a rebulican member of senate, Jim Jeffords, became a democrat so the senate would be under democratic rule, taking power away from the republicans and the president. If that doesn't say a lot I don't know what does. And he want's to allow timber companies to log trees in the Alaskan national forests. He's just bad.

[Totally]

hey Dthind! ya live about 2 minutes from here

as for george w. bush, I am going to admit to you all that I voted for him... was it because I agreed with a whole lot that he stood for? Not really.. it's just that Al Gore sucks major... and George W sucked slightly less....

[starfish]

just a lil thought,
Jim Jeffords jumping off the rebulican
armored tank might turn out to
be welcome to 'the man', since he,
in the next election, can blame the
democrats for the slowdown and decline
in the american economy that's going on.

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: starfish ]

[Kjetil Nystuen]

Maybe it's me who just don't like the looks on his face. He looks a little.. slick? (Like all those "business men with cell phone" you fin in stock pic libraries ) But how you managed to vote on a guy that smiled to all you americans, and in the same time telling about the asshole from the New York Times... I think it tells a little bit of his character. Atleast you need a president who knows when to shut up.. I ran into an american couple a few days ago. They were very pleased with Bush, because he had a high morale... Does that means so much to you? What do you think about his international moves so far?

Andskj: Takk for oppklaringen, jeg vet at det er innviklet enn som s�, men av og til er det greit � v�re en "dust fra Norge", hehe.. Jeg er enig med deg, Bush er farlig...

gLitterbug, you are correct, did you understood what I just wrote?

By the way, the man who is married to my aunt is actually a far relative of John Ashcroft!!! It's a small world..

-Kjetil

[MrPumpernickel]

andskj

Jag �r svensk s� jag f�rstod det d�r.

Yes, in reality Gore got more votes than Bush but all the commotion in florida was for nothing. However there was alot of lieing going on. Bush's establishment managed to hide away like 2 000 votes or something which was found by Gore's lawyers...there is more to it than we in the non american world can understand...but there is also a feckload we understand better than the american inhabitans. Like for instance that for the welfare of the world Gore WOULD'VE been a better leader than Bush. But I guess we now just have to wait and brace for impact cause this shit is going to hell...

My 0.02

[wayfinder_at_work]

dthind, that'S b-b-b-bullshit (illegal until made legal by law)

that would be about as bad as guilty until proven innocent.

i find it pretty scary that someone could really believe that. or persuade someone else of it.

[gLitterbug]

I try.

Danke f�r die Aufkl�rung,???, aber ich bin mir einig mit dir, Bush ist gef�hrlich - wie andskj gesagt hat Bush ist eine tickende Bombe.

Thanks for clearing that up, ???, but I�m of your opinion, Bush is dangerous - as andskj said Bush is a ticking bomb.

??? = not sure about that, maybe I figure it out.

And is that right or am I completely wrong?

[Kjetil Nystuen]

gLitterbug,

Sie �bersetzung was super! I have even less knowledge of the Austrian language than you have of the Norwegian.

I think that starting the plans for those missile defense systems are some of the most stupid moves ever done. It really shows that the conservative US doesn't thrust anyone else but themselves.. And how can Bush say that it is the best for anybody, and it will preserve peace in the world? I really thought that those idiotic plans was buried together with Reagans gouverment. But no. When Bush is done, the US will be back in the stoneages in international politics.

[social drone]

you morons,
al gore was fucking vice president, to say that he is underqualified is proof of your complete stupidity.

the election:
1.gore won the popular vote
2.katherine harris hired a firm, DBT, for $4 million to vet the rolls for felons that has wrongly kept thousands of legally registered voters, particularly blacks, from casting ballots.
3.new law was passed durring the election that prevented any recount of the votes
4.bush's election team advocated illegal destruction and alteration of ballots to throw the electorial vote
5.state troopers prevented blacks from voting
6.people with disabilities were not allowed to vote in several counties

bush in general
1.george bush is an anti-semite
2.so far bush has given $43 million to the thaliban.
3.george bush is a drunkard
4.bush got straight c's in school
5.bushs' grandpa funded and supported hitler
6.george bush made the california enegry problem a problem by ignoring federal law
7.is a puppet of the oil industry
8.elected regan contra cronies to run his administration
9.bush is against free speach
10.bush cheats on his tax forms

bush took the election he did not win it, and as for character bush might have a nice smile but thats as far as it goes.

you fucking shitstains that voted based on who had the best personality, are one of the many reasons the united states is a big fat ugly joke for most of europe and the rest of the world.

fuck you

[MrPumpernickel]

According to "Bush in general #5", I don't think you can hold it against a person what his gandpa did ages ago...

However, I would like to add another one to that list:

11. George W Bush is a puppet of his father

[Jock McxSporran]

Social Drone: don't talk pish, America was a big fat ugly joke the world over long before that cretin got elected.

[Dthind]

Social Drone,

Perhaps some backup to some of your claims would be warranted.

I am very curious about your

*2.so far bush has given $43 million to the thaliban.* (I assume you mean Taliban ?)

Your final comment

*fuck you*

Says it all

[Vgta]

...and the Village idiot was chosen to lead them.

[starfish]

since the oil industry funded his seat in the
big house they are gonna get pretty mad if
he fails making their wishes come true,
(ie. destroying the great wilderness area
in alaska by making it into another giant
oil-field, and thereby driving away all the
people that has lived there for a very
long time). he has started out well though,
managing to make people believe that
energy crises are actual risks =D

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: starfish ]

[Lorentz]

I have been lurking here for a while now and I hate for this to be my first post but I couldn't resist.

Social Drone-Bush did not create the energy crisis in california strict environmental laws preventing the building of power plants and building of hydro-electric damns in califronia combined with an assinine deregulation law caused the energy crisis in California Bush wasn't even elected when the whole energy crisis started. Also who cares if America is a joke to the rest of the world most of the world hates us regardless of what we do. I still believe us Americans live in the best country in the world, no offense meant to you non-americans, so who gives a damn what everyone else thinks. Also Al Gore did win the popular vote but thats not what gets you elected in america you have to win the electorate the electorate was designed by the framers to prevent election fraud and the tyranny of the majority over the minority. Also state troopers did not prevent black people from voting in Florida police were station outside polling places but they didn't stop anyone from voting the assumption that they interfered is based on the liberal idea that blacks would be afriad to vote simply because the police were around. Now how racist of an assumption is that that all black people are afraid of the police. I'd also like to see your sources for Bush being against freespeech and being an anti-semite. And yeah Bush got straight C's at Yale, ivy league is very hard. I don't think Bush is the greatest but he's better than that environmental wacko Gore, who would have banned all fossil fuels and guns.

[Jock McxSporran]

Yeah, I mean....imagine wanting to save the environment and put an end to your ridiculous gun-culture.

Gore must be a real moron...

[Jock McxSporran]

Even if those figures are correct (which I seriously doubt), how many people were actually killed or seriously injured? You sound like a fucking NRA spokesman.

*Engage Rant Mode*

For you to use your gun laws to try and prove that the USA is a safer place to live than the UK or Australia is not only ridiculous, but sadly all I would expect from a product of the most ethically, morally, politically, socially and spiritually bankrupt "culture" on the face of this fair planet.

I know Americans can't stand anybody insulting their beloved home land, but using bullshit arguments like yours to defend the indefensible mearly re-inforces the outside world's (perhaps slightly harsh) opinion that America is a nation of brain-washed morons being run by a moron, and who are only able to spread their insipid culture around the planet as a result of a series of historical and geographical strokes of good luck.

Your counrty is the spirtitual homeland of everything crass, classless, uncultured and base in the modern world, and if you don't get us all blown up in the meantime history will remember you as such.

*Disengage Rant Mode*

[starfish]

ahh..the per capita rhetoric..=)
that means that of all guns in swizerland
they average the amount across all inhabitants.
swizerland is a small country in the middle
of europe that has an amazingly low number
of crimes due to a very good police force,
kinda strict but easy to understand laws
and cameras monitoring almost every crossing.
though, as far as I know, in swizerland it's
illegal for civilians to own or carry guns.
that is, unless you are a hunter.
=)

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: starfish ]

[FatPenguin]

quote:

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Originally posted by Lorentz:
Jock- Our ridiculouse gun culture, 33% of Autrailians and over 25% of citizens in Great Britian were the victims of violent crime last year (rape, murder, violent assault) in the US the number was less than 10% yet the US has a high per capita gun desity than both the UK and Aus, and both of those countries have extreemely represive gun control laws

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Where the hell did you get those numbers? 1 in 4 people in the UK fell victim to violent crime in 1 year? That's just idiotic. Northern Ireland may not be the most peaceful place in the world right now, but even if every single person living there was murdered it would not bring the average anywhere near 25%


And you're right about switzerland, but there is a big difference in the reasons behind gun ownership in the US and switzerland. In switzerland, military service is compulsary for every able man in the country, and they are issued a military rifle which they keep locked up. They don't go out and buy handguns because they like killing things.

As far as actually living in the country is concerned, it's true that you can live a perfectly happy life without worrying about being shot, and you may well be happier in the states than anywhere else in the world. But to say 'my country is better than yours blah blah' is just silly... I hate patriotism. Nobody has a right to be proud of being born in a certain country. Just live where you want to live and leave it at that.

Now as for George Bush specifically, he is, without a doubt, a worthless piece of shit and should probably be killed. His failure to sign the Kyoto accord was inexcusable, and the explanations he gave were sickening.

p.s. Fidel Castro rules all

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[FatPenguin]

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[Jock McxSporran]

To be fair though, if it wasn't for the Americans I'd probably be speaking German

Note: ***SARCASM***