[J-D Leon]

hi..
i dontknow the difference between painter and photoshop...

there must be a difference. otherwise why wont all the people just use photo shop..

i am going to dive into digital imaging soo, can some one guide me?

[balistic]

do a search. this is the internet. information is stored for later retreival. its really useful.

[Robert Ashley]

They are both image editing and digital illustrating products....but painter has brush options that photoshop doesnt have.

Then again, photoshop has many things that painter doesnt have....

They have both strengths and weaknesses and I am not going to say which is better or worse nor am I going to say one has something in particular that is weak about one of these programs because there are always bitch slapin cat fights with people walking away with thier panties in a bunch over comments such as "painters....(fill in the blank)...is so weak"

Either way you can create the same piece of art on both softwares....the software is like using a brush or pencil....its up to you to make the image.

why do they sell oranges and apples at the supermarket? Arent they both fruit? yeah, but some people prefer the apple and some the oranges. I guess that would be a great answer to your question

With all that being said, I would start with photoshop if I were you...its easier to learn for beginners...but thats my own personal opinion...maybe not others (I might still get flamed for that last comment...but oh well...I guess painter could be easy to lean too...but it wasnt for me)

[eyewoo]

Many years ago I built a recording studio and used wood grain formica on counter tops. I got the formica at a greatly reduced price. A friend came in and was aghast at the wood grain formica. He just about shrieked that formica had a quality of its own and that it was a sacrilege using it to emulate earlier building materials. I was struck with his point of view.

My preference is Photoshop over Painter - not only because I learned Photoshop first, but because it seems to be oriented more toward the essense of digital. Painter's purpose seems is to emulate older traditional tools which, in some way, get in the way of really understanding the digital media.

So... perhaps a bit philosophical, but that's my humble opinion.

[roundeye]

hey, cool way to think about it eyewoo. sums up my thoughts too.

[Jason Manley]

you cannot make the same image with either program.

photoshop is a better image editing program. It has text...drop shadow stuff...all sorts of filters and other goodies....it has horrible horrible brushes and the color wheel stinks.

painter is a program for painting. photoshop has that capability but it does not have the brush library or the media types that painter has. Painters watercolor tool is wonderful. Painter is better for making drawn or painted art. that is my opinion.

photoshop is better for what mullins does..or for tiling textures...or for layering images....that kind of thing.

painter is limited to mainly doing traditional looking stuff digitally..in terms of its strengths.

photoshop can make decent paintings...but the brush marks all look the same and look like you did it in photoshop.

If you look you can see photoshop a mile away...same with painter...both for good and bad reasons.


good luck

jason

[eyewoo]

Jason...

Just a short comment re: being able to tell that a picture was painted in Photoshop or Painter. It's also true that you can tell whether a picture was painted with oils... or water color... or pastels... or egg tempra... or just about any medium...

[Eon]

This is a topic that is brought up here at least two times per week. And will continue this way...forever. Anyways, just go to the top of this forum and change the "Show the last 30 days" to "the last year". Or show all or whatever. and check out all the older postings. Chances are, any question you think up, has probably been asked before.

Thats pretty much for everyone. Check them all out. You learn more than any book. Thats how I learned. I do alot of cut and paste, topics from the forums and save them for later reference. Works GREAT.

Late
E

[Jin]

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you cannot make the same image with either program.

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Um.. I wonder if you meant to say that??

The truth is, you can make the same image in Painter and Photoshop, depending on the image you want to make. If it requires some of the sophisticated brushes found in Painter, that's the program you'll need. If it requires fairly simple brushes, you can probably use either program. For precise selections, Photoshop is better, as it is for color tweaking.

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photoshop is a better image editing program. It has text...drop shadow stuff...all sorts of filters and other goodies....it has horrible horrible brushes and the color wheel stinks.

Which program you use, Painter or Photoshop, for image editing depends on what kind of image editing you want to do.

Again, for color tweaking, most artists who use both programs agree that Photoshop is better.

For painting to edit an image, Painter provides a huge amount of flexibility not found in Photoshop. Painter's brushes can be used to paint in Paper texture wherever you want it in the image (Paper textures can be created by the artist from any image, painted or scanned, even a photo). We can paint with two or more colors, or paint with different colors on each brush bristle. Painter's Cloning feature is great and also offers many ways to edit an image. For instance, one or more images can be cloned into the working image.

Both programs use Layers. Painter 7 includes Layers, Water Color Layers, Liquid Ink Layers, Dynamic Layers, Reference Layers, and the Impasto Layer. Painter's Dynamic Layers include painting with Liquid Metal, Kaleidoscopes, Bevel World, Image Slicer, Liquid Lens, and more. Painter's Canvas (or background) can be painted, lifted to a Water Color Layer, and made wet. Depending on the chosen Water Color brush variant, Paper texture, and specific settings adjusted by the artist, the wetted Water Color Layer will take on characteristics of that Water Color brush variant and its interaction with the chosen Paper texture resulting in what was originally a dry image looking as if it were painted with Water Color brushes.

Photoshop's Blending Modes are Painter's Composite Methods. Both programs have text, drop shadows.

Most Photoshop filters can be used in Painter along with all of the KPT filters and other filters available on the Web. In Painter 7, we can create a Color Set instantly from any image.

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painter is a program for painting. photoshop has that capability but it does not have the brush library or the media types that painter has. Painters watercolor tool is wonderful. Painter is better for making drawn or painted art. that is my opinion.

I agree that for painting, Painter is the best program available. However, it is not only a program for painting. Other graphic art is right at home being created in Painter. Both special text treatments and seamless tile creation are easy in Painter. Textures can be created easily in Painter, and beautifully.

Painter has the Movie feature that allows us to create and edit movie frames then save them as QuickTime movies or GIF animations. It's Scripts feature allows us to record a script of a painting, then play it back into movie frames, or paint at a lower resolution for speed and convenience, then play back the script at a higher resolution. Any image can be turned into a Mosaic. The Net Painter feature allows two or more participants to connect to a designated host computer and do online collaborative painting. When one participant takes control of the Painter screen, other participants can watch his/her brush strokes appear on their Canvases (on their Painter screens), thousands of miles apart. When the file is saved by the current participant, it's saved in a special Net Painter folder on the other participants' hard drives.

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photoshop is better for what mullins does..or for tiling textures...or for layering images....that kind of thing.

painter is limited to mainly doing traditional looking stuff digitally..in terms of its strengths.

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See above for some of Painter's many strengths beyond doing traditional looking stuff digitally.

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photoshop can make decent paintings...but the brush marks all look the same and look like you did it in photoshop.

Good Photoshop artists can create some great art. I do agree, though, that the range of options they can use is limited and most good Photoshop art I've seen has a "smooth" look, lacking the painterly look possible in Painter. I'd be happy to see Photoshop art that contradicts me, because I think Photoshop is a great program and sometimes I feel kind of sorry for those artists, that they don't have as much fun as we do with Painter's brushes. They are completely addicting!

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If you look you can see photoshop a mile away...same with painter...both for good and bad reasons.

I don't know... I've seen a lot of Painter work that has shows little of what Painter can do, and could be taken for an image done in just about any raster program. They're usually done by beginners, though, who haven't learned how to make use of what's available.

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good luck

jason

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Yeah.. good luck, whatever program you use. They're both wonderful and full of good things.

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[Jason Manley]

that net painter trick...yum...what a great way to help tutor the young guys...or crit each others work

thanks for the info..

j

ps..is that only painter 7?

[Jin]

Jason,

Nope. Net Painter's been around for years. It's not used a lot, unfortunately, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's dropped in the future. It's not been improved as far as I can tell through all the version I've used, Painter 4, 5, 6, and now 7.

In the Painter 5 Objects palette, click the Net icon to open the Net Painter section.

In the Painter 6 Objects palette, click the small triangle to the left of the Net Painter section's name bar to open it.

In Painter 7, we have the option to display whatever sections we want, or not to display them, in the Art Materials, Objects, and Brush Controls palettes. When Painter is installed, the default is to not have the Net Painter section displayed. To display it, go to Edit > Preferences > Palettes, choose Objects, check Net Painter, and click OK.

In any version, all you'll see is a fairly blank panel with a smaller panel to the left with three round things. When they're lit up, those are red, yellow, and green lights that turn on to indicate whether the collaborative painting participant is in control of the Painter screen, waiting to take control, or is either not in control and not waiting or has turned over control to the next participant. Until a connection is made to the designated host computer, the lights don't work.

Before Net Painter can be used, it has to be set up with your user name, chat ID, port number (the default has always worked for me) and the Disable Network Painter box has to be unchecked (checked is the default). Then, when you choose Connect from the Net Painter section's menu, you type in the designated host computer's IP number and click OK. If the host's ISP assigns a new IP number each time he/she logs on to the Internet, you need to get it just prior to connecting.

Now begins the fun! Connecting can be iffy to begin with. If you get disconnected during a session, you may need to contact the host and get a new IP number.

Once you're connected, you'll see the user names of all of the participants in the upper part of the Net Painter panel and the lower part is an itty bitty chat window. If you type too fast and too far, your text will be cut off and the other participants won't see it, so you have to pay attention. In addition, because the chat window is so tiny, the chat text is also tiny and hard to read.

Sound fun? Well it is an adventure!

Numerous other things, some completely mysterious, can make or break a Net Painter session. For instance, if all participants are not using the same exact brush library with the brushes in their default state, or if they don't all have the same Pattern and Paper libraries loaded. Though I've heard people say they've successfully painted using both Painter 5 and Painter 6 in a single session, I find it hard to believe because even adding a patch can make it go sour, if everyone doesn't have the same version and patch installed.

Basically, you need to work with a pristine set of libraries just as they were when Painter was installed, work with the same Painter version, including patches, and pray it doesn't rain.

When it's a success, it's a real success and loads of fun. I spent a few months a couple of years ago Net Painting with some high school and junior high kids in Ohio two or more times a week (I'm in California), and we managed to have a great time. I was able to teach them while we painted, though wasn't easy trying to give good explanations via the chat window. Also, some of the kids would get so into painting that I couldn't get their attention to tell them something. I just had to sit there and watch the paint appear on my Canvas.. as they had to wait while I took a turn. Half the time I didn't know how many of them were participating and which one was painting at a given time. None of that really mattered, though. We all enjoyed it.

If you can, try it out, but read the documentation first, to avoid disappointments as much as possible.

You can download the NetPainter.pdf from the Corel FTP server at:

ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/Painter/6

If you try it, I'd love to hear how it goes and what you think of the experience.

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[mannela]

I believe that both of them are pretty good. i've got painter classic (came with wacom) and photoshop 5.5 and i've been using them both.
if you want to paint, why not try using both of them. use painter first and if you need something from photoshop you'll just use it then.
painter is better for simulating traditional art but photoshop has some good sides too, like for example layers, textures etc...