[Ian]

Cool video. Long live go motion. But I guess i'll have to watch it a few more times to make the connection between the imagery and the sounds/lyrics... he he he. Hampster you saw it right?

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[Spitfire]

I never really understood the hype around tool.

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[Ian]

they did the weird thing for a while. people liked it...

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[Impaler]

Reasons for Tool Hype:

-Maynard sings very prettily. Unless his noise gets annoying as hell. (happens 78% of the time)

-The group gets an original song that doesn't sound like everything else. (happens 0.04% of the time)

-Tool is 'original' and 'different' and 'artistic'. This is of course from the average pot-addicted, KoRn-loving everyteenager, who has only seen the average poprock bullshit that all his friends love! In America, that which is 'radically different' is 'radically cool, dawg!'.

*shrug*

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[Ian]

yah...that too...

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[PandaX52]

�nima is inferior to Undertow...

Undertow was more unique and masculine in my opinion..

I admit that It's the instrumental part of tool that I like...not so much the vocals...

Of course...there were different bassists on each album...so that's probably why they sound so different...

And I never cared too much for any of the "Perfect Circle" songs....

my two cents....


can anyone suggest any other good bands/groups?

[Impaler]

That's because Tool isn't APC. Just because it's got Maynard does it mean that it'll be the same as Tool. APC is better than Tool in a couple of cases.

For all of you Tool's: www.lachrymology.com

That's one of Maynards bands pre-tool. Plus it's got some tolerable solo stuff by him.

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[PandaX52]

I'm aware of that...I just don't care for APC...unrealated to my opinion of Tool

were the extra "returns"

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(edit)Some of that ZAVM percussion stuff is interesting....

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[A.Buttle]

Tool fucking sucks. End of story.

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[above]

I heard watching Legend (with Tom Cruise I think) while listening to Aenima that it was synchronized. Never tried it though because I own neither.

FYI

[[Tool]Ender]

Tool is fucking awesome. The depth of their music and lyrics is rare in today's pop/punk/hip hop music culture. They at least make you think about the meaning of thier songs, and the music itself has a much deeper feeling compared to many other artists.

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[[Tool] Harry Manback]

AEnima is making fun of everyone who has ever spazzed over the thought of the big earthquake that drops California in the Pacific. But the loss of California doesn't sound like a bad idea as long as all of you who refuse to give Tool a chance go down with it. I've got some advice for you little buddy, head to the music store and pick up Salival, AEnima, Undertow, or Opiate. You just might find that your music isn't so good anymore. And as for you that embrace Tool but reject APC, just think of A Perfect Circle as Maynard's alter ego. Mer De Noms is a more self indulgent Maynard, but it is still Maynard. He has a lot to say, not a lot of nothing. Give Maynard a chance and I'll see you in Arizona bay.

[Ian]

Music Gooood.

Napster Baaaaad.

*oik*

wait.

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[Impaler]

Both of you [tool]s (if it really is more than one person) are new to the weekly music discussion here, so I, being the demi-god fop that I am, shall clue you in to the general rules around here. Every one of us here has listened to every bit of music that we claim to hate. We'd otherwise be hypocrites. Just look at faust|gfx' post about Linkin Park. He listened to the cd x number of times and still hates them. I've got all four of Tool's cd's sitting on the er... containment.. unit on my wall. They're nothing impressive.

And as for lyrics, i fail to see any lyrics, ever, having any real important. Lyrics are just words. Words don't make us think. However, lyrics represent notions, ideas, feelings, etc. These notions are the things that make us think. They're the reason for music. Any 14 year old can fill his bong and write lyrics just as well as Maynard or Reznor or anyone else. It's the ideas presented that make the profound impact. Tool's lyrics are nothing amazing, and the ideas are the same classic ideas intrinsic in American Anti-Pop rock (somewhat of an oxymoron).

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[[Tool]Ender]

"Words don't make us think" First of all, I want to say that I completely disagree with that statement. You also say that words represent notions, ideas and feelings, which is true. But in order to effectively communicate these feelings through words, one must also effectively use language. Great poets, for instance, are not recognized for their feelings and emotions, but for the way that they express them through language. This is also true for music, and I believe that Tool and NIN do this more effectively than most other artists. Listening to the emotion in Trent Reznor's voice combined with the lyrics, music and knowledge that he has experienced most everything that he sings about, gives his music a depth that many bands lack.
In my opinion Tool has this depth as well, and many of their lyrics DO have meanings that can be interpreted in different ways. For instance, their belief in lachrymology and the references to water in their music. Or, the 46 & 2 theory regarding the next stage of human evolution. http://www.innuendocornecopria.com/index.htm has some interesting interpretations of Tool's lyrics, if you want to check out the site. Now, I am not saying that I believe all of this, but it does make me THINK, which is not something that I am going to get from the lyrics of a Brittany Spears song. Combine this with the great instrumental tones of the band, and you get something that is above average in today's music culture.

[Giant Hamster]

tools alright...not great enough to make me buy a cd though. I like their videos, they are nifty.

Ian: by the way...It's Stop motion. Go motion requires a computer to emulate motion blur and other little things that I dont feel like getting into. so yeah hehe

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[Maynard]

Ah, yes indeed. Embrace that which you hate and you are no better than it. Those of you who think that �And as for lyrics, i fail to see any lyrics, ever, having any real important. Lyrics are just words. Words don't make us think� It's the ideas presented that make the profound impact.�� wake the fuck up. Perhaps it is just me or is it words that seem to be the basis for just about all forms of communication, including the way we portray these �ideas.� How can you discredit them so quickly. I may as well forget all that great stuff like swearing people in at court or wedding vows, we may as well go and spew a bunch of bullshit at our spouses since words aren�t important and don�t make us think. For that matter no book could ever intellectually simulate us or anything of that sort. Perhaps you are an exception to this but the vast majority of the human populous is capable of this. If it wasn�t this way people would just make little packs stating their ideas, which is probably done but you don�t see those in the list of classics or best seller, now do you? It is these words that make up the ideas behind them. You seem to think that an idea is there on its own regardless if the words are there or not. Well, now go listen to some songs without the lyrics and explain to me the whole �idea� behind them. But once more, you have not only decided to discredit words, but words of songs. Throughout human history song has been integral part of almost every society. As for me these songs have a certain amount of meaning to them seeing as how I can see how they pertain to me and my situation in life. For those of you who are too hollow to understand things like that I can see where your lack of insight is coming from. Furthermore, I will admit that not all lyrics are intellectually stimulating, as we can see in most pop-culture songs of the day. But when it comes to bands such as Tool or Nine Inch Nails there is a degree of stimulation there, perhaps not present in all of the songs but it is there.

And as for those of you who seem to think that Tool sounds like something else, or doesn�t put out work that is original in anyway, please show me the song and the release date of the CD (not saying it doesn�t exist but I haven�t come across it yet and I have listened to quite abit of music)

Setting sun can't shine, now you're gone
Inside sleeping, my heart beating
You know that you tried to hide it
Shouldn't you have said what you meant?

YOU LIED!

[Bradford]

imho, mtv sucks. therefore any music played on mtv sucks. mtv makes bands become sellouts, by exploiting them worldwide until they hit rock bottom and you want to puke your guts out because every single person with no tast of music resorts to listening to it. this includes tool.



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[[Tool]Ender]

What kind of music do YOU listen to then, Bradford? I also listen to classical quite a bit, and have played violin in an orchestra for eight years. So my taste in music is not that limited, i think.

[Bradford]

Industrial, Trance, Classical, Drum'bass. Mostly lean on the industrial side because trance and d&b get sickening to fast, you have to balance those.

Don't take my MTV comment to hard, I have friends who listen to tool and all that crap. Just thought I would state my thoughts.

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[[Tool] Harry Manback]

Let me clue you in on the general idea of your bullshit claims. You are posting shit like you own the forum, and it makes everything you say credible. [Tool] Ender is a freind of mine, and we obviously agree with our taste in music. From what little I know of you, Impaler, it seems you have no taste in music. Music is an art, it is a poem put into song to add the feeling you speak of, but you are giving the lyrics no credit. If you are trying to tell me that any "ooh ooh, baby baby" song could be as good as Tool if it had a decent sound you are mistaken. And if you actually listened to, and tried to understand Tool lyrics, you would see that it is researched and pretty fucking deep. If you think it could be written by some stoned kid you are just a dumbass beligerant fucker. My impression of you is that you like to hear music, but you don't like to listen to it. If all you are looking for is a sound, it isn't music, it's noise. When you are ready to listen, cue up AEnima.

[[Tool]Ender]

I listent to most all of that kind of music also... good for parties especially..

[Maynard]

Well now Bradford, we will have a session with you. I belive you said the following: �imho, mtv sucks. therefore any music played on mtv sucks� Now this may strike some people as odd and there is a good reason for that and I will tell you why. Because it is simply not true. This is what is known as a logical fallacy, more specifically a guilt by association fallacy. The meaning of that should be rather obvious by its title so we will leave it at that. Anyone with a basic English education knows what they are and knows not to use them when writing because, well, they make you look like an imbecile. (please read Bradford�s post above for example) So before anymore of you try to make rather pathetic claims please make sure they have some substance behind them.
Thank you.

[Bradford]

Thanks for the long replies. But I am not claiming anything, or trying to pursuade anyone, but just stating my opinion, or did you miss that. What I can claim is that all of you who try to bash my opinions with negative remarks have some growing up to do.

I think tool sucks, you don't. it is pretty simple. many people share my opinion, and hopefully more than the [tool] geek followers share yours as well.

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[Ian]

Hampster: Really? I always thought that go motion was around long before computers we capable of that kind of thing? [ie. Gumby, bad alien movies, etc...] oh well, silly me.

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[PandaX52]

music is music...i hate it how people make it so much more than it needs to be...Putting people into groups and such...

do you listen to music because you actually appreciate it's composition?

Or do you admire the image that goes along with it?


my thoughts anyway....



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[[Tool] Harry Manback]

I may have been a little harsh in criticizing you Tool haters. Maynard himself says "think for yourself." So I guess I should be encouraging you in your criticism. I admire you all for putting in the effort to come up with your own thought and say: "Tool sucks because they suck." Show me some proof though. Show me these lyrics that "have no meaning." As for the claim that Tool has sold out, I suggest you listen to Hooker With A Penis, it's a good song, might offer some insight.

[Bradford]

great, they have good lyrics, maybe they should be writing poetry instead of producing shitty melodies that not only sounds like every other mtv band, but can make the ear bleed if you listen to it enough.

that's my opinion and i am sticking with it. have a good night.

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[[Tool] Harry Manback]

How can someone state their opinion, and then bitch because someone criticized it?

[Bradford]

not bitching, just extending my opinion further. all in good fun, if you really like tool that is what is important. you shouldn't be out to convince people otherwise.

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