[dr . bang]

i think we should have a Tablet forum....

[Rob M]

Well, maybe not a tablet forum, though it's not a bad idea.

I just think people need to cool down when someone asks a question about a tablet. It's really not something to get worked up about.

[Loud]

Hey Rob, don't worry. I was a tablet question asker too, people get pissy if the same question is asked twice. They think... what!? I just answered that question how dumb are you?

I'm getting a 4x5 Intuos, it should be here tomorrow. For me I wanted all the control I could get, but my drawing stroke isn't that big and I think 4x5 will be limiting, but will serve me well as this is my first table ever.

I have no experience with tablets at all so I'm not much help. =)

[Binke]

AAAAEGFGfdggggffdggxxcvcxvcccxPRFRplbbtbt

Dhabih should type this in the forum selection page:

WACOM QUESTIONS go here for christ sake - >> Search


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Art Dimensional

[Slicer]

Well I thought I could add some opinions.

First. You don't feel the difference between the intous and graphire. Atleast I didn't.

Second. I didn't like the little size of the graphire, perhaps that's why I brought a 9x12 =).
And if I feel like using a smaller space that's no problem at all. works fine.

third. If you can, get the USB version.

If you wanna know anything else just mail me so you want have to be abused by everyone =)

[email protected]
edit: added my e-mail

[This message has been edited by Slicer (edited October 25, 2000).]

[JayBee]

If you're going to flame someone, at least let em know why

<flameon!>

Yeah - there are like several thousand posts to this forum per day (or so it seems), and there seems to be double the number of newbies signing up every day that signed up yesterday...

This results in this forum moving VERY FAST. SO fast, that several very good pic posts get shunted off the bottom of the front page every day.

Now, I'm not saying that newbies aren't welcome! I'm still a newbie, so that would be a bit of a stupid thing to say... All I'm doing is explaining why some people get a little pissed off when 3 Wacom posts (or posts asking why the site's called "sijun") are posted every hour.

I agree that the search facility should be more prominent, but come on - I can understand why people might get annoyed at someone with over 100 posts under their belt not already knowing all this

When I read this thread, I thought "Oh no", not cos it's a particularly inane thread (as far as Wacom ones go, it's fairly worthy), but becuase I know that, regardless of how specific you make the question, a Wacom post will ATTRACT people who want to ask "which one should I get, will it work with my old mac, are they just like real pens, how do they work...?"

Frankly, the sooner that "Most Common Questions Guide" button at the top of every page loses the "(Not Ready)" post script, the safer this place will be!

Anyway, that's the end of my rant, and I'd like to pat myself on the back for keeping it (relatively) flame-free!



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I've said it before, and I'll say it again - we need a "preview reply" button
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[This message has been edited by JayBee (edited October 25, 2000).]

[Muzman]

Muzm puts his feet up and waits for the FAQ to get posted

Searching is a real problem actually. You can either choose to only search the last 30days (ie: not much in terms of the overall activity around here) or you can search the whole history but only get 200 results. In which case you're lucky if you get a good look at the first 4mnths of the forum's life (obviously, it depends on what you're searching for. But for something as common as the Wacom questions... well you get the idea.)
This is probably to keep the cgi load on the server to a minimum, which makes sense, but for a place like this it's not that effective.

[Rob M]

Loud, Slicer: Thats what I meant. I already know which model Im going to get (6x8 Intuos), but wondered which tablet the artists here thought fit their styles best or just which one they liked better.

JayBee: I understand your point, but I think several of you misread my intentions. Like I said, I wanted peoples opinions. I've checked up on the different models and already have a gimpy 4x5 Aiptek tablet so I'm certainly not clueless.
As to the search Util, it's their all right, and can be very handy, but it's not always the best option.

Binke: Why do you you assume that just because someone asks a question about a Wacom, that they have never used the search Util to look up old posts on the tablet? Maybe I or others didn't find the right answers.

Muzman: Yeah, searching can be a hassle.

[Rob M]

Obviously, the Intuos is a better tablet with the difference in cost and available sizes, as well as the number of pressure levels, but how far behind is the Graphire?

I believe the Graphire only comes in one size, 4" x 5". Graphire users, Do you find this too small to work on comfortably?

Intuos users, what would you say is your favorite feature on the Intuos?

If you have used both an Intuos and a Graphire, what did you like/dislike about the two?

Thanks!

-Rob

[Nex]

You my friend have to die now.

How can you have over 100 posts and STILL post Wacom questions?

*mubles under his breath and walks away shaking his head*

[Guybrush]

lol, yeah, 103 posts and still .. ARGH!

respect, ...

[Rob M]

Dude, i was asking people's opinions on the different models.

I know that Intuos is a better model. I was just wondering what people who've used them like about the different models.

If you don't have anything to say that follows the thread, and has some helpful input, you need not reply.

[Nex]

quote:

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Binke: Why do you you assume that just because someone asks a question about a Wacom, that they have never used the search Util to look up old posts on the tablet? Maybe I or others didn't find the right answers.

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ehm sorry to bring this up but in the short time I have been here THIS EXACT question has been asked and answered at least 17852658 times. So you would find something using search here:

wacom sizes

graphire vs. intous

graphire vs. intous

graphire vs. intous

and 122+ other topics on this..

no offense given but.. well you know already.

[Rob M]

No offense taken, I checked each of your example threads. Guess what, they were NOT the questions I had asked. You also are apparently unable to discern someone who's looking for advice on which tablet to buy, from someone who's simply curious as to peoples preferences. Is it that hard for you people to comprehend a few sentences worth of questions.

Now, I'd trying to be nice about this but you "forum veterans" are just whining and complaining over a valid question.

I'd appreciate it if you would all limit yourselves to valid responses. If you have used one of the other, or even both and want to share why you prefer one aspect of one tablet over the other, then by all means post.

If you just want to flame and completely misread the post, well, Alt + <== back to the main page.

This is the digital art forum, yet if it's not something you people want to see it's somehow bad, even if it's a valid digital art post! Maybe some of you should stop worrying about what I wrote and start thinking about your own attitude on the forums.

(If you can't tell, im just a bit annoyed at some of these responses.)

[Dhabih]

Dont worry Rob M....the wacom question has kinda become the classic question...so anytime someone asks people get funny

anyway, there will be a FAQ up soon Muzman put together that will have this info for other people.

my opinions....i never had a graphire, but the intuos kicks butt.

-dhab

[Nex]

Even though I take Dhab's post as a sign to cool down and let this pass i feel the need to reply once again...

..because slowly this begins to piss me off.
Not because you asked a WACOM question but because you are not able TO READ THE POSTS I searched up for you.

I believe the Graphire only comes in one size, 4" x 5". Graphire users, Do you find this too small to work on comfortably?

What do you want? The topic explains exactly this, what people think about tablet sizes. Do you need the exact sentence "I find my 4x5 Graphire comfortable to work with" to get it?

Intuos users, what would you say is your favorite feature on the Intuos?

The only major differences I read about are the pressure levels so what frickin' features are you talking about? There are many posts in there explaining that it does not make much of a difference.

If you have used both an Intuos and a Graphire, what did you like/dislike about the two?

same question asked differently.
most people say there is no significant difference to them.

So if you prefer writing some "I am so pissed off because nobody helps me" replies instead of actually reading them then I cannot help you.

I am pretty sure you just (over)read those 4 examples that I posted and did not use search of your own any more.

for why some people bother to reply such posts at all you may refer to jaybee's post in this topic-

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Okay so now I vented enough, I will chill out, cool down, relax and continue reading sumaleths "The Arena Story" - I hope you will give [re]searching a second try ;I am sure you will find what you search for.

[This message has been edited by Nex (edited October 26, 2000).]

[Slicer]

Some more differences:
The intous has those quite useful buttons on the tablet which you could bind to do anything from changing to brush to starting winamp. The later requiring some more fiddeling...

And about the mouse that comes with the graphire and intous. I hate them both. The graphire has to little area to move the mouse and the intous mouse is to little for me, I have really got to hold the mouse.

And about the airbrush tool to the intous I have no id�. I haven't seen on in real life and I don't know anyone who has one.

If you thing it's something new with all the wacom quiestion, it isn't. Many people was getting angry way back in time. The only difference was that usually people would, even though they we're annoyed, post an answer.
Nowadays nobody answer and everybody gets pissed off when they ask the same question again just because nobody would answer the question the first time.

Maybe we should add at the bottom of the FAQ:
If your thinking of posting a wacom question, DON'T! You will spare us and yourself from alot of anger and pain."

A tip. You think you would be happy with the 6x8? then buy the 9x12 then you won't be disappointed atleast =)

[This message has been edited by Slicer (edited October 26, 2000).]

[chumps]

"third. If you can, get the USB version."

why? how is the usb version better?

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Stroke my ego.

[Binke]

sigh.

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Art Dimensional

[Rob M]

Dhabih: Yeah, people don't have much patience anymore, it seems. I have a tablet similar to the graphire, it's alright but with my current PC config it wont recognize the tablet. After much fiddling and tech support questions (The tech help guy for Aiptek didn't know how to fix it so he finally just didn'y answer wheh I told him the tests he asked me to try didn't work. LAME!!), I took it as a sign that I should invest in a Wacom!

The 4x5 was fine for me so I imagine 6x8 will be more than adequete.

Nex: I never got worked up over these responses, I simply asked people to stop repeating each other with "Man, 100 posts and still Wacom questions?".

I did search, I din't really find answers that I felt were the specific ones I was looking for. All in all it falls down to one thing...maybe I just wanted to ask my own question.

It's not a big deal, damn! Would you want me to turn it around on you with "1,000+ posts and your replying to Wacom questions like that?" replies? Probably not. Besides, I see no need to argue like that.
BTW, by features I meant the feel of the pen, the shape of the tablet, anything. Even just random things that might occur to you as you were using the tablet. Everybody has different tastes, thats what im wondering about.

Slicer: Thanks for the input. Im not sure I see the point of the airbrush tool either. You can pretty much do what it does with photoshop tools anyway.

Chumps: USB is truly plug and play. As soon as you plug the device into the USb port it wil be recongized by the system and you can set it up. Plus, I believe the data transfer is faster with USB. Im not certain about that though.

[Muzman]

USB: Universal Serial Bus
I/O system that started out on the Mac. It's arguably quicker than regular serial interfaces (ie: COM ports) but this is mainly to do with implimentation (since serial data can only move at a fixed speed).
The main point about using USB for a tablet is that USB ports are powered, so you don't need anything else to run your tablet off (like the 9v DC adaptor I need for my old thing)

Here look: Expertise in a can http://www.usb.org/faq.html

[DuKEZ]

Me gots graphire.. now to answers

1. How is it?
hell lot better than my mouse.

2. Should I (meaning you) buy one?
If your a newbie yes.

3. Does size matter?
Find a girl that understands

4. What can you do or not do with it over the intous?
What can you do with a lettuce over cabbage?
Its upto your creative imagination

5. What about the oh-so pressure sensitivity?
The intous offers 1024, graphire is 512. If you think you sketch super super light enough to need a more sensitive pad go get a intous then.

6. So uhh what about this Art Padz thingy?
....


ta daa

[Rob M]

Cool, i think thats the kind of USB info he was looking for.

DuKEZ: Well, thanks for the input. I decided which tablet to get months ago. The Intuos 6x8. I do tend to sketch lightly, BTW.

Im not really looking for buying advice, mostly just people's thoughts and preferences on the two models.

Thanks again.