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spooge demon
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:32 am     Reply with quote
http://www.genesiscomics.com/SOTW/

Go here when you feel bad. I can't believe this stuff goes on and is excused. I love the RIp, coincidence, homage voting!

Kinda further muddies he water on the Gabe thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:07 am     Reply with quote


great image spooge ! what is is for ? just for fun ?

funny link.. seems like Fabio Laguna is the true master though


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:15 am     Reply with quote
Spooge, I've seen that site before and i just can't believe how they can do stuff like that. Exact copies of others work and sometimes even whole pages. Unbelievable!
The Fabio Laguna guy seems to be topping the charts.
You picture looks incredible. The colours looks stunning as usuall. Sharp!The cross-hatching reminds me of the way Moebius paint with Gouache. I'm doing a cover for a Magazine right now so this was a great inspiration.

-Mikael
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:25 am     Reply with quote
Great as usual.
err, can I say that his biceps looks funny to me ... uh ... please dont't hit me

About that site, yeah somebody already posted it. I thing it's a great thing that in the comics scene people "homage" other's people work so often ( -NO!- ).

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:41 am     Reply with quote
Her is the thread, if you are interested: http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004746.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 4:01 am     Reply with quote
ofcourse great one,you know very well your job,but i have a question,you do this pics just to keep your skills alive or you finaly finish this pics?

~bizarde.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:40 am     Reply with quote
Had a quick look at http://www.genesiscomics.com/SOTW/ ... sickening -- about half of those are blatant replicas/traces.. from so called pros. Funny how the originals always end up looking better in the other cases... =)

(I bet Fred is laughing at this. =)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:42 am     Reply with quote
Hi Spooge,

you do stunning work. I had a stop at your webside and could not believe my eyes. A real wonderworld. Great work and wonderfull life in your work.

all the best
/cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:24 am     Reply with quote
Wow spoonge...wow...
really good...

love the shadows in his face...wow...

And i agree with Eckhardt "a real wonderworld"

HAJA!

wow...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:34 am     Reply with quote
Spooge:

I have a question for you... you've mentioned before about hard shadows and such... and I think I've gotten the hang of it... but now, I think I'm over doing it. Sometimes when looking at things that I would normally expect to have a sharp shadow cast have a more diffused shadow... I know that the light's distance plays a role in the focus of the shadow edge, and that bounce light from small nearby planes can also cause shadow dispersion,... are there any tricks or thoughts on that you could help me with?

Should I go out and buy different type of lightbulbs and see how each have different effects?

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 7:53 am     Reply with quote
I've gotta stick up for Kishiro on those Frank Miller "rips" . . . anyone who knows much about Yukito knows that he has a ton of respect for Frank, and those panels are obviously meant as homage.

That Laguna guy is a tool though



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 8:08 am     Reply with quote
Cool stuff spooge. Love the shin guard and how you've managed a dank, dark atmosphere, but it's still quite rich in color.

-Flexible Elf

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 8:29 am     Reply with quote
Hmm.. I don't really like this one. The color scheme doesn't really appeal to me. Too much green. Also, It looks like you were playing around with a different style. Parts of the figure are painted real tight and some parts are your usual style. Should be one or the other IMHO. Shouldn't that vase be in more shadow also?

*puts on his flame resistant suit and curls into the fetal position*
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 9:18 am     Reply with quote
I like it. Very neat.

I agree with Grendel Khan. His left arm muscles look like they're getting soggy to me. But I don't know much at all about anatomy. Maybe you can give me a tip, spooge. How much anatomy should I learn and memorize? What's a good way of going about it?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 9:45 am     Reply with quote
nice one. the colors are pretty reminiscent of some of the "old masters." the lighting on his left forearm and his chest are particularly compelling. the position of his right foot looks to me as if its perched on his toe a bit, something about the continuation of the line from his shine perhaps... oh i don't know i'm not so good with perspective....

now to my standard request. would you mind - pretty, pretty please - saving the "steps" for one of these gladiator-knight-uther type paintings. i'd be very interested in seeing how you develop forms and perspective and how you maintain a loose brush struck while depicting light and form so well. oh well we can all dream : ).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 9:59 am     Reply with quote
Quite nice!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 10:17 am     Reply with quote
This is probably one of my favorite pics of yours... Love the lighting and the mood. Wow.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 10:39 am     Reply with quote
Nice pic, I think his bicep is screwed up though. Amazing how bold people are with their theft!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 10:57 am     Reply with quote
Yea its a nice site .. but another half of it they blame artist for USING IMAGES such as PHOTOS as a REFERENCE ?? what kind of BULLSHIT IS THAT ??? like this one for example http://www.genesiscomics.com/SOTW/Archive/s060199.htm I see that alot of em are swiped but geez are we not allowed to use REFERENCE anymore ??
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:00 pm     Reply with quote
I�m new here (I started past weekend), and I have read a lot of times people talking about the "Spooge Demon".

Now I know why.

Astounding.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 12:46 pm     Reply with quote
Hi Craig,
One thing that sparks my interest so much about your work Craig, is that you, even though you have a great deal of consistency in your work, every new image seems like a new experimentation, new style, new way of working, but still, with all of that, I would not have a hard time distinguish your pictures among others, no matter how much you changed your way of working, I think.

Someone mentioned that the colors in the above pic are reminicent of the old masters, I have to agree. Although Rembrandt comes to my mind when looking at this pic, I have to say that it reminds me more of Delacroix, But also one other, Theodore Gericault. Nevertheless, the pic is foremost "spooge". I like it very much. Think that the artifacts on his chest and the right leg are the most interesting. I would try to tweak the skin color a bit, maybe tone down the yellowish warmth of it a bit.

Your work reminds me of Velasques and Zorn quite a bit, both of them were very skillful in illuminating what they saw with a minimum of brush strokes. You never seem to paint more than you have to. Something that I try to be and need to be better at.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:08 pm     Reply with quote
Great pic! I really like the metal shinguard and how you rendered it. The faint ornaments are extremely well done! You are the stuff.

The only thing that bothers me even remotely is his left arm. Its mainly the chest-shoulder, shoulder-bicep, and bicep-forearm connections. I would 'tuck' the pectorals under the deltoids ever so slighltly, and 'pinch' the bicep underneath the deltoid.

I'm by no means any kind of authority on anatomy, so if someone could school me please feel free to do so.

As usual, just my thoughts.

-c
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:16 pm     Reply with quote
Roger Cruz and Rob Liefeld are bad, bad men.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:57 pm     Reply with quote
ya im with alias this soo looks like real paint i and feels like it has texture poping out with overlapping paint great! ;o
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:05 pm     Reply with quote
Ooh...I really like this one...You can almost feel the stress in his mind... Good job man!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:47 pm     Reply with quote
Pierre, that's Velazquez BTW. Just FYI.

Spooge, nice picture, again, and again. I am not the most clever guy around, visual wise, though. I have troubles finding the direction light comes from in this image: what thing is casting the shadow in its face&torso?

Weird dish BTW.

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please, pleasy, please, excuse me. I guess I did not really look at the img. That is some sort of dungeon, then some kind of top exterior ligh uh? But, then, that casted shadow is quite dark, while I see no shadow casted by the overall body on the floor, at least that darkish...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:32 pm     Reply with quote
the photo rip above with the woman on the right isnt using the photo reference...thats copyright infringement.

do that to a bigger photographer and your butt is sued.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:44 pm     Reply with quote
alot of thoes pictures where in a wizard i had heh
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:45 pm     Reply with quote
Copyright infringement because he used the pose? I'm sorry, but I think the photographer would lose the case on that one. Too many differences. I can understand people saying its a rip when it is identical to something already drawn, but just using a pose? Come on. Fathom looks nothing like Daniela Pestova.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2000 7:00 pm     Reply with quote
I overlayed the two images in photoshop, just to check if one was copied exactly. Well see for yourself: he obviously used it as a reference, there was no "swiping".

Besides, copyright applies to something one created or discovered, or at least as idea.... so the photographer "discovered a naked woman"?! Oh the pose you mean; well I think I could find at least a dozen other photos where women are standing in that same position. Nuff said.

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